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I think it would be the opposite of cheap grace. An ah so what all we gotta do is offer a sacrifice and every thing will be fine- no problem. I personally see no difference. Whether it is grace or law in that regard.What is that?
Who said it did.? I read the original reason (if you will) found in Exodus to be a cause and not a reason for the requirement. If one says that the second isn't valid, I must ask if Moses is reliable. If Moses isn't reliable in Deuteronomy why would he be creditable in Exodus? One is trusting Moses either way. After all we wouldn't know unless someone (Moses in this case) told us or we could produce the tablets. So what is the basis?That does not negate the original reason.
If you parent told you to look before crossing the road one day and the 4 days later tell you run when crossing the road, does that mean that you are not to look before crossing?
The Jews were hindered even by Jesus Who said And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Aparently there are still those who refuse to hear the Gospel which gives liberty - Galatians 5.Christians must be convince of that otherwise they will need to keep the Sabbath. I am sure the Jews likewise were convince, so much so that they killed the same Messiah that they were looking for.
Very interesting that one would say that Ex 20:8-11 has nothing to do with Israel. Who was present at their giving? I read that only Israel was called to the occasion.Why do you ignore the following: It has nothing to do with Israel. They were to obey God as we are to also.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Do we dishonor God by keeping the commandments? Is it a sin? What is the problem with it?
I wonder why Elder 111 doesn't understand that?I agree....it is also cheap grace.
What difference does it make who said it? I'm not saying that Paul advertised cheap grace as a way around the law either.Do you realized that it is Paul that made the statement?
Are you then saying that Paul advertised cheap law?
Where is the Christian called to keep the 10 Cs? I need a verse desperately.
Yes we are called to keep the 10 commandments, and why not, they help to guard our lives.
The bias is that you are ignoring the original reason, the true reason. The second is just to say that God had deliver them and they are, as they agreed, expect to obey Him.Who said it did.? I read the original reason (if you will) found in Exodus to be a cause and not a reason for the requirement. If one says that the second isn't valid, I must ask if Moses is reliable. If Moses isn't reliable in Deuteronomy why would he be creditable in Exodus? One is trusting Moses either way. After all we wouldn't know unless someone (Moses in this case) told us or we could produce the tablets. So what is the basis?
Liberty to so what? Not disregard the 10 commandments?The Jews were hindered even by Jesus Who said And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Aparently there are still those who refuse to hear the Gospel which gives liberty - Galatians 5.
I read that it is because God is the creator. That is creator of all of us not Israel alone.Very interesting that one would say that Ex 20:8-11 has nothing to do with Israel. Who was present at their giving? I read that only Israel was called to the occasion.
What are you saying? It matters who said it. Is it not the same Paul that you look to as inspired by God?What difference does it make who said it? I'm not saying that Paul advertised cheap grace as a way around the law either.
No, I don't think so. The reality is I don't agree with you. I said the Ex account is related more to cause and the Deut account is related to requirement.The bias is that you are ignoring the original reason, the true reason. The second is just to say that God had deliver them and they are, as they agreed, expect to obey Him.
Well it isn't to sin as insisted. Read Galatians 5 it is about the law of liberty and not the law of Moses which includes the 10 Cs. Here - For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Gal 5:13Liberty to so what? Not disregard the 10 commandments?
Nice side step. Who was addressed in Ex 20? I read only Israel. I need the verse that says everybody. It isn't found in the 4th. God isn't addressing the stranger or their behavioir outside the gates of an Israelite.I read that it is because God is the creator. That is creator of all of us not Israel alone.
I don't look to Paul for anything. I look at and read the Bible. I believe it to be inspired as recorded in II Tim 3:16. Peter says Paul's writings are Scripture in II Peter 3:16.What are you saying? It matters who said it. Is it not the same Paul that you look to as inspired by God?
You must understand what Paul meant. Faith was always a part of salvation, it was not a new introduction in the new testament. Hebrews 11 makes that clear.
That is a false dichotomy because one can not love God or their neighbor and lie and steal. The 2 commandments of Jesus are a lot broader (and tougher) han the 10 commandments given to the Jews.Take a moment and consider. We as christians can not stand before a Holy God and lie and steal.
The 10 commandments were given to the Jewish people not to the gentiles. The tablets of stone are not a requirement for a Christian.These are thing required in the 10 commandments. It is not then reasonable to say that there are no for us to observed.
The false dichotomy continues. How can you love your neighbor and sleep with his wife? Or how can you love your wife and sleep with the neighbor? Both of these we do not do because we are saved by the grace of God through faith in the Son.The mistake has been that we have been told that it is works. How can refusing, by the grace of God, to sleep with your neighbor be of works.
Sure you can, you've never killed anyone for example.
I do not ignore the text but your interpretation of the text.
For instance James mentions 2 tenants of the ten commandments and you refer it to the "whole law" and not the 10. Does not compute.
The sabbath command clearly states that it is because God is the creator, what does that have to do with Israel?
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