Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

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Psalms 119: 97O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation

Loving the law is not the law teaching us how to love.

 

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Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

This doesn't indicate the indwelling of the Spirit nor that the body is the Temple of God.

 

[MamaZ]

Originally Posted by Stryder06

Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
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Yes David walked in the presence of God. But the very Presence of God did not live in David. This is where we see that Jesus speaks that one must be born again. Of the incorruptable seed.

 

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But that walk after the Spirit doesn't make you perfect and sinless as what you believe, right? This means, you keep sinning from time to time, and thus coming back again under condemnation of the law, for if you admit you did sin, you admitted there is a law you break.

Walking in the Spirit doesn't make my flesh perfect because it won't be redeemed. My soul is what is redeemed and made perfect or complete as Mat 5:48 states. This is called justification.

 

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Just read Romans 7:25 - Romans 8:4, you will found out that walking after the Spirit, is living according to the mind of Christ, which Paul said, serving the law. Read further to Romans 8:9, you will found out that carnal mind is not subject to the law of God, thus the mind of Christ is subject to the law of God, because only with this mind Paul (and us) can serve the law (7:25).



No! By nature, men only have their carnal mind.

Are you then promoting that aman can't be saved/redeemed? Because I find this in Rom 8:7 - Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This mind is not subject to the law of God, thus, bring condemnation to all men for their sins. Christ came to save men from their sin and not in their sin, this need a change of mind, from a mind that is not subject to the law of God, to a mind that is subject to the law of God. And whose mind that is subject to the law of God, if the mind of men is carnal? The mind of Christ.

The mind isn't changed. It is carnal. But the spirit being born dead is born again and the second time to life - Jn 3.

You can't have both of them.

But both seem to be living and thus the war Paul noted in Rom 7:24-25. If one can have only one there will be no war. The enemy fought Jesus all through His earthly ministry but didn't tempt Him that I know of except the incidents immediately following the 40 day fast. The enemy of my soul doesn't bother me with temptation on certian things. But the little foxes are the one that spoil the vine so I hear. And it is those little foxes that give me fits. Those cute kits grow into adults if they aren't snuffed.

But when you live with the mind of Christ, your body is still the same sinful flesh, where old habits remains, and sent signal to your brain. Therefore, the body too need to be subjected to the law of God, to be disciplined.

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

Galatians 5 thewhole chapter.

Carnal mind is not same with the physical body.
What Paul talks about the law of sin and death in his body, is the law of his carnal mind, which is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, never indeed can be.

The physical body isn't subject to the law as Paul states in Rom 8:7. The body has received its unreversable sentence and is final. The physical body isn't redeemed, the soul is. Other wise man has control of the eternal destiny of a man by ending a human's life.

The whole you would be saved or died. And what is the whole you? What it consist?

Very contradictive showing misunderstanding of the concept of salvation. Please go over very carefully what you said.

 

[Arthur57]

What's the question?

The question is... have you trusted Jesus Christ for Salvation?

If yes, then quit looking to the Law. Look upon Christ and live.

If you look to the Law for Salvation you will die, for in choosing to walk in the Law, one has to reject the Spirit that freed us from the Law.

Life is not found in the Law. Paul said when the Law came, sin revived and he died. Life is only found in Christ. If we look to Him for life, walking in His Spirit of perfect peace and liberty, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And if we are not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, we have no need to be in bondage to the Law.

The above statement is complete error.

This is the true Gospel of Christ.

Look upon Christ, who died to established the law and glorified the law with his death, which redeemed men with his perfect righteousness. His life shows a perfect obedience and temperance, self sacrifice and love, which is an example for His believers, who ought to walk as he had walk. From heaven Christ ministry is carried out by the Holy Spirit, who is working hard to write the law in His believer hearts and put in their minds, in order they might conform to the holy demands of the law and be released from its condemnation.

This is the Gospel.

To correct your err: Paul said when the law came sin revived and he died, because he think he is righteous for his obedience is perfect and blameless, he just know what sin is, after he accept Christ by faith. His self righteousness is rubbish, and he came to understand that he is a sinner instead a righteous man despite his perfect blameless obedience, for it is done without faith in Christ.

I think I have corrected you twice with this.

And you don't know what walking in the Spirit is. For those who walk in the Spirit will be brought unto subjection to the law of God, that is the main duty of the Spirit to accomplished God's New Covenant with men. A contrast to those who live by his carnal mind, which is not subject to the law of God, only subjected to the lust of the flesh.

Oh, my dear, how many times I hear the other gospel. Get rid of it.

 

[Arthur57]

Walking in the Spirit doesn't make my flesh perfect because it won't be redeemed. My soul is what is redeemed and made perfect or complete as Mat 5:48 states. This is called justification.

What are you talking

 

[Arthur57]

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

The law of sin and death isn't the carnal mind.

Study Romans 7 and 8.

 

[Stryder06]

Loving the law is not the law teaching us how to love.

I disagree. The first 4 commandments are God telling us how to show that we love Him. The last six show us how to love each other.

 

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So, what you're saying is, you have no understanding why God gave us His laws or what they are for.
Why didn't you just say so up front instead of beating around the bush.

Who here beats the bushes?

 

[Stryder06]

This doesn't indicate the indwelling of the Spirit nor that the body is the Temple of God.

Take it how you want it...

 

[Stryder06]

Yes David walked in the presence of God. But the very Presence of God did not live in David. This is where we see that Jesus speaks that one must be born again. Of the incorruptable seed.

What does it mean for God to "live in you"?

I don't get why you think that God related to His children of old different then He does to His children now.

 

[Arthur57]

No. One is convicted of sin and not condemned by the leading of the Spirit and not the law as a Christian - Romans 8:1-4, Gal 5:18-21.

Again a clear denial to the Scripture: Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:13)

When will you stop denying the Scripture and try to accept as it is?

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?2 Certainly not! 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Romans 6:1, 15.

Why for believers not to sin, even they are under grace?

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:7.

How could you come to the conclusion if under grace, sin is not condemned?

 

[Stryder06]

Scratch:

I was away during the holiday so I wanted to ask if you ever answered my question about the law and the ark as shown in revelation. Did you find that to be significant at all in regards to the existence of the law?

 

[Arthur57]

Then you also know that justification only comes through Christ, who went to a lot of work, to have the right to be the justifier..and His robe of righteousness will not cover unrepentant sins.

If there is no unrepentant sins, it means this man is perfect sinless. He didn't need Christ robe of righteousness. If there is sin in him, he need the robe.

 

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Walking after the Spirit and not after the flesh is to keep God's laws.

Walking in the Spirit and not fullfiling the lusts of the flesh is to be keeping God's commandments.

On reading both the above statements, I need to ask what is the difference in God's laws and God's commandments? Are you referring to the 10 Cs in the second statement or something else? Remember that the 10 Cs are given by God and the rest known - er promoted as the law of Moses or rather from Moses was nailed to the cross. So what is the difference in your statements?

Obeying God's laws produce the fruits of the Spirit.

Of course there is no law against obeying the law. The fruits of the Spirit is the result of keeping the law of God..

Where does this come from? I need a reference at least. I can't connect it to the Scripture.

Yes we have, and in doing so we have quit living our old ways and begun living God's way according to His ways which are layed out in His laws.

You seem to know all the scriptures, you just don't seem to have any idea what they mean.

We think this applies to you as well as you to us. So what good does this unnecessary slam do? Is that what is called loving your neighbor as yourself? Going by that commandment seems to say you want us to do this to you. But then the red button is used by someone. Why is this?

 

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Moses got an exact description of it.
Exodus 25:8And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Moses wasn't as much of an incredible artist as he was an incredible servant, obedient down to the letter.

It appears that Moses communicated to the craftsmen much than us.

Hope you had a good holiday weekend.

Thanks for the good will. Hope yours was great as well.

 

[Arthur57]

If one can be a doer of the law there is no need of redemption or even sacrifice for sin. Arthur57 stated in the previous thread twice that we'll stand before God in our righteousness and not that of righteousness of Jesus. No substituting. The real deal is that we're not. God gave us His righteousness and therfore it is ours. But note that righteousness didn't come by the law, it came by imputation/declaration as a gift only - Rom 4:1-9, 6:23.

yeah, and I'm right.

Keep studying, whether you will come to this truth or not is all because of the grace of God.

 

[Arthur57]

We will have sin in us until we are transformed. The law has no power over me at all. For I am not obligated to the law. I am blood bought and Spirit filled. Therefore is I sin I am not under the condemnation of the law because I was never under the law to begin with. For anything done without faith is sin. To do good and not do it is sin. To even be angry at my brother is sin. For if we walk in the fruit of the Spirit there is no law. Woo HOOO thank you Jesus..

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:7

How can a sinner not under condemnation of the law, and how can the grace of God save him? Don't day dreaming but hold the Scripture alone.

 

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Then you also know that justification only comes through Christ, who went to a lot of work, to have the right to be the justifier..and His robe of righteousness will not cover unrepentant sins.

So who is promoting such baloney? And there is plenty of it to be found here.