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In order to know what law and where it came from... it first must be clarified that it is indeed a law that came down from Mount Sinai.. before it is included in the Mount Sinai ruling.. and circumcision is not a law that offers salvation.. not then nor now...We are not speaking of the OT here. The Jerusalem Council was called because the legalistic Judaizers were ADDING works (circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses) to the Gospel of grace.
I submit to you that it is you who misunderstands what Paul meant. The Apostles taught in Acts 15 that the Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law. Paul calls the Galatians foolish for allowing someone to bewitch them into turning from liberty in Christ to bondage under the Law. He reminds them that once one comes to faith in Christ, that one is no longer under the law, (not the penalty of the law,... the law) Paul then admonishes the foolish Galatians to reject the law (cast out the bondwoman) and to 'walk in the liberty wherein ye were called.' Paul instructs Timothy that the law is not for the righteous, but for the ungodly.You misunderstand what Paul meant thats all. Paul beseeches, begs the gentile believers multiple times on different occasions to abstain from sin and adhere to the doctrine. Was it for nothing, was paul speaking into the air? The holy Spirit doesn't transform us over night we must learn, and we do it through the guidence of the HS from the word. Your definition of Pauls teaching seems narrow and full or error, it disregards commandments from Paul showing them in an obscure light. Paul made things very simple.
1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
James 1:25I submit to you that it is you who misunderstands what Paul meant. The Apostles taught in Acts 15 that the Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law. Paul calls the Galatians foolish for allowing someone to bewitch them into turning from liberty in Christ to bondage under the Law. He reminds them that once one comes to faith in Christ, that one is no longer under the law, (not the penalty of the law,... the law) Paul then admonishes the foolish Galatians to reject the law (cast out the bondwoman) and to 'walk in the liberty wherein ye were called.' Paul instructs Timothy that the law is not for the righteous, but for the ungodly.
As I said, it is not I who is misunderstanding the Apostles.
I submit to you that it is you who misunderstands what Paul meant. The Apostles taught in Acts 15 that the Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law. Paul calls the Galatians foolish for allowing someone to bewitch them into turning from liberty in Christ to bondage under the Law. He reminds them that once one comes to faith in Christ, that one is no longer under the law, (not the penalty of the law,... the law) Paul then admonishes the foolish Galatians to reject the law (cast out the bondwoman) and to 'walk in the liberty wherein ye were called.' Paul instructs Timothy that the law is not for the righteous, but for the ungodly.
As I said, it is not I who is misunderstanding the Apostles.
But my teaching is not twisted.All i post it what they teach. I just post more teaching than you do.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.You stick to a extreme and narrow view of what is actually being taught, you accept one part and scoff at the rest.
So, since you believe that the Holy Spirit teaches you to do what the Apostle's teach, why do you consistently insist on clinging to the bondwoman (law) when the Apostle said to cast the bondwoman (law) out? Is the teacher not to be obeyed in this instance?
OK I used your word naming a specific sin. The real point is sin and not the specific sin per say. Then the point is what one will present on judgment day. Some will present I didn't fornicate and I'm going to present Jesus. One will be told depart from Me I never knew you and the other will be admitted. I'm not becoming perfect (justified) I'm perfect(justified). This is a either or deal just like being pregnant. Ya is or ya ain't there isn't a sorta pregnant state.No it leads them not to. Fornicators continue to fornicate until the word tells them its wrong and they receive forgiveness and are saved. If they receive Jesus by the Holy Spirit they don't live in fornication, the flee from it. They resist the devil and the flesh and allow themselves to be lead by the Spirit according to what the apostles teach.
But my teaching is not twisted.Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
It was the serpent in the garden that wanted Adam and Eve to have an open mind to deception.
OK I used your word naming a specific sin. The real point is sin and not how one gets there per say. Then the point is What one will present on judgment day. Some will present I didn't fornicate and I'm going to present Jesus. One will be told depart from Me I never knew you and the other will be admitted. I'm not becoming perfect (justified) I'm perfect(justified). This is a either or deal just like being pregnant. Ya is or ya ain't there isn't a sorta pregnant state.
If you say so. BTW this ain't a buger king deal - it ain't your way. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.I follow the set of rules according to the word of Jesus and His apostles because the Holy Spirit leads me that way
amen.... Yeshua is the justification, the sanctification, our righteousness..If you say so. BTW this ain't a buger king deal - it ain't your way. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Its the Bible way or the highway. You can say that I'm saying my or the highway if you want. It won't change the Bible.
Circumcision was added to the Law of Moses:In order to know what law and where it came from... it first must be clarified that it is indeed a law that came down from Mount Sinai.. before it is included in the Mount Sinai ruling.. and circumcision is not a law that offers salvation.. not then nor now...
Just as soon as you tie the law to providing eternal life.find any scripture where circumcision is tied to salvation... It is Pharisee tradition, probably found in the Talmud..
If you say so. BTW this ain't a buger king deal - it ain't your way. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
and
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Its the Bible way or the highway. You can say that I'm saying my or the highway if you want. It won't change the Bible.
What did Jesus say in Mat 5:20?Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
When it comes to conviction of sin or even the condemnation because of continued sin in violation of the Law... Paul is right... it won't have the same effect.. for the sinner.. it looks mean and hard lined on the sinful lifestyle.................... but for those who are walking in accordance to the commandments as God reveals via His Holy Spirit.. it is righteous.. because God is right.. it is right living.
find any scripture where circumcision is tied to salvation... It is Pharisee tradition, probably found in the Talmud..
Just as soon as you tie the law to providint eternal life.
Circumcision is a requirement of the law for all males so subscribing. It isn't optional. No circumcision no law requirement for the Gentile. No law requirement meant no God and no country for the Jew under the law pre cross per the law - Ex 12:48.
So this righteous is no longer...??
Psalm 119:142
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Who magnified the Law... Who expounded upon it and gave it more depth.. aka from the letter of the law.. adultery ... to even include lust??
Isaiah 42:21
The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
Righteousness is that which is Right and God said that observing His Law is right.. IF God declares they are blameless, who are we to say they are not..
Deuteronomy 6:25
And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Psalm 119:172
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
It doesn't matter if you are circumcised or not... keeping the law is what counts.. especially via the Holy Spirit leading you in which is the weightier or more important at the moment..
Romans 2:26
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Paul forbids circumcision, fornication and meat offered to idols.
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