Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[11822]

I see you still insist we follow a set of rules and not the leading of the Spirit. Why is this?

I follow the set of rules according to the word of Jesus and His apostles because the Holy Spirit leads me that way

 

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The Lord saith:

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Now tell us again....what do you REALLY mean?

Well done Sister Sheina.

 

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I weigh my words carefully. You ought to do the same. Think about it, you think there's no law, but you think there's a judgment. You think there's no law but you believe Christ is our advocate before the Father. Do you really think that you will be able to stand before God and explain to Him, using the same logic, why you threw His law down to the dust for the sake of tradition?

For instance you think the sabbath is a burdensome day, but God says that (A) it's His day and (B) we're suppose to call it a delight. Do you really think you'll have an excuse for that?

Please quote the post where I said there was no law.

I won't try to explain to God the justification of any sin. I have already past the judgement and have been granted life - Jn 5:24. I'm certianly not like the rich young man of Mat 19. Nor will I ever say to God I did thus and so. I will say Jesus and that is all I need to say according to the Bible I have and read.

I need to ask what you think burden is and what it means to the sabbath. What is the day of preperation? Isn't that serving the sabbath? I think so. One must abstain from purssing a livelyhood to keep from sinning on the sabbath according to the meaning and concept. Yet Jesus said the sabbath was created for man. Please note that I didn't say that, Jesus did. The day of preparation is indeed serving the day. I never said the sabbath day was burdensome, ever anywhere. The 7th day sabbath doesn't apply to me as a Christian. Or it wasn't given exclusively to the Israelites. If it is indeed given to everyone it can't be special or have sepecial significance to Israel as the Bible clearly states.

 

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1 Timothy 1:5-11 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

The Law is not for the righteous. Those who are righteous are those who have trusted Christ as Lord and Savior. They are now clothed in His Righteousness. They are seen as being righteous because He is Righteous and they are in Him.

The Law is not for those who have trusted Christ, it is for the unrighteous.

Yet some would insist, through vain janglings, that those who have trusted Christ are to be placed under the Law and thus under the curse of death that comes with that Law. They would condemn those whom Christ has exonerated by holding them to the Law that Christ has set them free from.

 

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Couple of things:

1st - The law doesn't bring condemnation of death. Death is only to those who break the law

What then is this ministration of death written on stone? The only thing I know of written on or in stone is the 10 Cs. Do you know of something else?

2nd - The law doesn't bear a penalty against the righteous because they aren't in violation of it, not because of their ability to keep it in and of themselves, but because of Christ, who covers them and who points to His own righteousness on behalf of the sinner who has accepted Him.

The invitation to name any who has so accomplished this incredble feat besides Jesus (God) still remains to be filled for 6,000 years.

The law isn't something to cast away. It's something to be understood in it's proper light.

This is a double minded statement and denial of the Scripture Gal 4:30.

I agree to the second sentence with all that is within me.

 

[11822]

The Holy Spirit leads us to do whatever Jesus and His apostles teach. Its not a burdensome list of demands but a simple list that Gods Spirit helps us obey. Faith also has a command that we trust in Jesus and His words and doesn't throw out the other commandments Jesus and His apostles teach. We need faith, holiness and love to be complete and perfect and this is found in obeying the laws governing faith, love and holiness, the Holy Spirit leads us to obey them. Its very simple teaching and it isn't any more complicated than this.

 

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No it wasn't, it was the mosaic law, that was the issue.


1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” .


5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

But those verses must not appear in Stryder's Bible. It simply can't be the truth and surely they don't mean what we think they mean.

 

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Then do you love how the word of God, calls law life bondage 5 times in Galatians?

Do you love how the Word of God, says that the law arouses sin?

Bro, you only love a prooftexted edition.

I think its proper name is The Clear Word. It used to have the word Bible in the title.

 

[visionary]

But those verses must not appear in Stryder's Bible. It simply can't be the truth and surely they don't mean what we think they mean.

find any scripture where circumcision is tied to salvation... It is Pharisee tradition, probably found in the Talmud..

 

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What does the Holy Spirit use.. to bring conviction or condemnation .. of sin..

5.Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

It is the spiritual mind that is no longer against God and now subjects itself to the Law of God for guidance in righteousness.. That is what and why the Holy Spirit uses it as a tutor.. even today..

don't rightly know. Did mommy or daddy ever punish you for lying or was it God because of the law you subscribed to? Probably didn't even know what the law was before your first lie.

 

[Studious One]

I follow the set of rules according to the word of Jesus and His apostles because the Holy Spirit leads me that way

For some reason, I am not sure you do. The Apostle Paul taught that the Law is not for the righteous (those in Christ), yet you keep insisting it is.

 

[Studious One]

The Holy Spirit leads us to do whatever Jesus and His apostles teach. Its not a burdensome list of demands but a simple list that Gods Spirit helps us obey. Faith also has a command that we trust in Jesus and His words and doesn't throw out the other commandments Jesus and His apostles teach. We need faith, holiness and love to be complete and perfect and this is found in obeying the laws governing faith, love and holiness, the Holy Spirit leads us to obey them. Its very simple teaching and it isn't any more complicated than this.

So, since you believe that the Holy Spirit teaches you to do what the Apostle's teach, why do you consistently insist on clinging to the bondwoman (law) when the Apostle said to cast the bondwoman (law) out? Is the teacher not to be obeyed in this instance?

 

[visionary]

For some reason, I am not sure you do. The Apostle Paul taught that the Law is not for the righteous (those in Christ), yet you keep insisting it is.

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

When it comes to conviction of sin or even the condemnation because of continued sin in violation of the Law... Paul is right... it won't have the same effect.. for the sinner.. it looks mean and hard lined on the sinful lifestyle.................... but for those who are walking in accordance to the commandments as God reveals via His Holy Spirit.. it is righteous.. because God is right.. it is right living.

 

[sheina]

find any scripture where circumcision is tied to salvation... It is Pharisee tradition, probably found in the Talmud..

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

 

[visionary]

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Now all you have to do is find it in OT..

 

[Studious One]

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

When it comes to conviction of sin or even the condemnation because of continued sin in violation of the Law... Paul is right... it won't have the same effect.. for the sinner.. it looks mean and hard lined on the sinful lifestyle.................... but for those who are walking in accordance to the commandments as God reveals via His Holy Spirit.. it is righteous.. because God is right.. it is right living.

Luke 1:6 is pre-cross, and speaking of the Israelites who were required to follow the Mosaic Law.

Also, Luke 1:6 does not say they were righteous as a result of walking in the Law, only that they were righteous before God and that they were walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord, blameless.


Nice try though.

 

[sheina]

Now all you have to do is find it in OT..

We are not speaking of the OT here. The Jerusalem Council was called because the legalistic Judaizers were ADDING works (circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses) to the Gospel of grace.

 

[MamaZ]

I've read acts 15. Thanks. And what was the yoke? Was it the law or the way the pharisees interpreted the law and turned it into something burdensome.

Tell me Frogster, do you find it burdensome to honor your parents, or to remain faithful to your wife? Is it a burden for you to worship the only One True God?

How about you stop trying to insert your own modern day understanding into what the scriptures are saying and actually take them for what they are?

BTW: I love your sig but I can't for the life of me figure out why you forgot this part:
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Scripture does not even suggest that is was the way the Pharisees inerpreted the law. It is not modern day understanding but the written scripture kept in the full context of the full written of the scriptures.

 

[visionary]

Luke 1:6 is pre-cross, and speaking of the Israelites who were required to follow the Mosaic Law.

Also, Luke 1:6 does not say they were righteous as a result of walking in the Law, only that they were righteous before God and that they were walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord, blameless.


Nice try though.

So this righteous is no longer...??

Psalm 119:142
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.


Who magnified the Law... Who expounded upon it and gave it more depth.. aka from the letter of the law.. adultery ... to even include lust??

Isaiah 42:21
The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Righteousness is that which is Right and God said that observing His Law is right.. IF God declares they are blameless, who are we to say they are not..

Deuteronomy 6:25
And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Psalm 119:172
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

It doesn't matter if you are circumcised or not... keeping the law is what counts.. especially via the Holy Spirit leading you in which is the weightier or more important at the moment..

Romans 2:26
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

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For some reason, I am not sure you do. The Apostle Paul taught that the Law is not for the righteous (those in Christ), yet you keep insisting it is.

You misunderstand what Paul meant thats all. Paul beseeches, begs the gentile believers multiple times on different occasions to abstain from sin and adhere to the doctrine. Was it for nothing, was paul speaking into the air? The holy Spirit doesn't transform us over night we must learn, and we do it through the guidence of the HS from the word. Your definition of Pauls teaching seems narrow and full or error, it disregards commandments from Paul showing them in an obscure light. Paul made things very simple.

1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.