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A great example of Jesus bypassing the requirements of the law is found in John 8:1-11.
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A great example of Jesus bypassing the requirements of the law is found in John 8:1-11.Christ did do away with certain aspects of the law. There is no more sacrifice now because Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. We don't worry about circumcision because it is not the flesh but the heart.
But those pesky ten...
Yeah those bad boys still exist and are still in force. You sure you don't see any significance in revelation where John sees the ark of His covenant?
A great example of Jesus bypassing the requirements of the law is found in John 8:1-11.
Indeed you said the law is love. I asked where the Bible says the law is love. You gave commands of the law and not proof that the law is love.
The sole purpose of the law is to condemn so that love might be shown by God - Rom 11:32.
The law charges everything and doesn't love anything.
Interesting technical question. To whom does the law apply? Everybody or just the lawless and ungodly - I Tim 1:9-10?Should it not be that we do not sin at all? If we are not under the law, which many contents, is the removal of the law, then we can not sin. Is that not your position also?
When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross He cried out, "It is finished" (John 19:30). The work of our salvation was FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED and COMPLETED. We simply need to trust and rest in what the Saviour has accomplished.Salvation is by grace of God. Yes.
Nobody ever said that salvation is a license to sin. (Romans 6:1-2)But the grace of God is not a license to sin, and could not clear the sinner from God's wrath. The man that sinned, he must die (Exodus 32:3).
Wrong! Jesus Christ came to save sinners (Luke 5:32; Romans 5:8). All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). If you aren't IN your sins, you are NOT a sinner...and that goes contrary to what Scripture says.This means, those who believe they are saved in their sins, have no hope at all.
What exactly do you mean? Romans 7 is Paul's struggle with the flesh and it was a present struggle that he had, not a past struggle. He writes in the present tense, not past tense.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Salvation doesn't make a person "sinlessly perfect". We are not "sinless" but we do "sin less"...IOW, we don't continue living IN sin, because we have been freed from the penalty and power of sin.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Do I read that indeed there are 2 different covenants in this statement above?In Jer. 31:31-34, God proclaimed His covenant, which is called the New Covenant. That He will write His law on the heart and put it in the mind of those who believe Christ Jesus, which is the meaning of the "house of Israel after that time." This new covenant is made, because the older one, when proclaimed with Israel after their exodus from Egypt has been broken. If God's laws is written in their hearts and put in their minds, no more a man said to his neighbor "Know the Lord", because all knows their God, whom forgive their sin and remember it no more.
True it is based on a better promise - one that is unconditional and dependant on God alone which can be performed and be effective.Now compare with Hebrews 8.
Paul here not only repeating what is written in Jer, 31:31-34, but he said further, that we have a High Priest in heaven, ministering in the true sanctuary and of the true tabernacle, erected by the Lord himself. Ministering and mediating on a better covenant, which is based on the promise of God, a better promise. Meanwhile the Old covenant was based on human promise, ended in failure and broken promise.
Yes, but what are you calling God's law? I think that you intend it to mean nothing less than the covenant made with the COI at Sinai, specifically the 10 Cs. The 10 Cs are called the covenant written on or in stone in Deut 4:13. Thus the covenant made with their fathers can't be something else.And if the OC established with the pouring of animal blood, the NC was established with the blood of the Savior, once and for all.
What is the High Priest Jesus Christ ministering in the sanctuary in heaven?
Nothing else then ministering His Holy Spirit to write His law on His believers hearts and put it in their minds, to accomplish His covenant. And mediating men with His Father for the forgiveness of sin, this too to accomplish His promise.
There are no I repeat no doers according to the Bible and thus there is no hope of salvation by the observance of the law even if it is written on one's heart. The challenge still remains open for any one to name a doer of the law in the past 6,000 years. So far there hasn't been anyone found except Jesus who didn't have a sin nature and didn't prove a motral man could copy His example.All and all, the New Covenant and Christ ministry in heaven is about His law, to write on your heart and out it in your mind, in order you might be subjected to his law, be a law doers, for when you live in the carnal mind, as an unbeliever, all you can do is breaking His law, for the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God.
So, what is your comment?
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
What is the meaning of this verse? When did the law ends for a believer, when he is righteous, or when Christ nailed the law to His cross with his death?
Well this could have 2 meanings. One when does a person become righteous? Your posted view is that we must attain righteousness from the law.
I have pointed out that Jesus says that righeousness won't secure etarnal life (salvation) - Mat 5:20.
I think your statement implies that a Christian isn't righteous at the point of what we call getting saved by repentance and confession - Rom 10:9-10. Romans 4:1-9 shows that one is righeoues by imputation/declaration by God. This is a fixed point the same as sanctification.
Two - since you said for the believer, the law's jurisdiction ended at the point of the salvation experience because the Christian is righteous. The law doesn' apply to the righteous. The law applies to the wicked - I Tim 1:9-10. This by no means indicates the Christian is anomos -lawless.
I notice the question is the law's jurisdiction is over men and not Christians. So I think the approach question to the law's jurisdiction is wrong in discussing if it is over the Christian.All here in reference to who is under sin doesn't include the believer as the rest of the quote shows. The promise was given by faith to those that beleive. What is the promise? Here it indicates salvation.
Verse 23 is in the past tense saying we were kept under guard of the law.
Verse 24 plainly states that the law was our tutor having a purpose. Once again the tense is past tense. And the verse clearly states we are no longer under a tutor. Who is the tutor? Plainly in this quote above it is the law.
I notice that you still say sinners are in need of the tutor of the law. This isn't and doesn't include Christians because they are righeous by declaration - Rom 4:1-9. Christians aren't classified as (unrepentant) sinners. As I have already shown the law isn't for the righteous - I Tim 1:9-10. The law didn't end for the anomos - lawless as listed in I Tim 1:9-10. One must use the law lawfully as I Tim 1:8 states.
Mat 5:18 doesn't refer to end time events. Jesus clarified and qualified this statement in LK 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
it apply to Us all.. even Paul who declared the ongoing battle with sin inside himself.. for we are all sinners and have gone astray.. no one is righteousInteresting technical question. To whom does the law apply? Everybody or just the lawless and ungodly - I Tim 1:9-10?
Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded (mindful of the law) is life and peace.
And we aren't fighting aginst the law of God (usualy means the 10 Cs). We simply aren't led by the law which means observance and regulated in behavior. The law was never given to the Gentiles or the Christian. If a Jew becomes a Christian they also aren't obligated to the law. There are no Jews in Christ Jesus. No law - No Jew. This means that the NC is outside the law of the OC. This doesn't mean that they can't keep customs required by the law. But even then they can't be compliant with the requirements of the law.Romans 8:3-7
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin (transgression of the law), condemned sin (the transgression of the law) in the flesh:
4)That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (see explanation in Romans 7:14 for Spiritually ~ the law is spiritual according to Romans 7:14).
5)For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit (the law is spiritual) the things of the Spirit (they are mindful of the law of God).
6)For to be carnally minded is death (sin is transgression of the law - sin=death); but to be spiritually minded (mindful of God's law - the law is spiritual) is life and peace. 7)Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
We see that it's the CARNAL mind that is NOT subject to the law of God. CARNALLY minded people will fight and war against the law of God. Spiritually minded people (people that are led of the Spirit)will not fight against (be at enmity with) the law of God.
James isn't pushing compliance to the law. The works James talks aren't required by the law.You continue to insist that there is a declaration that being lawfully minded isn't being spiritually minded and that it contradicts faith.
Yet in James 2:18-26 we see that faith alone is not enough for justification. Just as we can't be justified by works alone.
James 2:18-26
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Was Abraham justified by works of the law? Nope the law came 430 years after him. Again James point isn't the keeping of the law. Rahab wasn't justified by the law either. Infact she lied and secured her physical salvation.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
The child of God who falls into sin does not and will never be in condemnation of the Law!But that walk after the Spirit doesn't make you perfect and sinless as what you believe, right? This means, you keep sinning from time to time, and thus coming back again under condemnation of the law, for if you admit you did sin, you admitted there is a law you break.
The child of God who falls into sin does not and will never be in condemnation of the Law!
When Christ forgave my sins on the cross, He forgave past, present, and future sins. I will not be held accountable for sins in my body for Christ became sin for me that I might be made righteous in Him
When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross He cried out, "It is finished" (John 19:30). The work of our salvation was FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED and COMPLETED. We simply need to trust and rest in what the Saviour has accomplished.
The Christian has passed from death (condemnation) to life - Jn 5:24. This means the Christian has passed the judgement. and isn't condemned - Romans 8:1-4.
It is those that say did we not do such and so. Just read the full passage.Then who are the workers of iniquity.. whom our Lord will declare.. I never knew you??
Beseeching isn't a command as presented in prior posts.Thats not exacly what Paul says. Paul beseeches us to comply with His teaching of abstaining from fornication and other works of the flesh and to live in the spirit which is love, he does this continuously throughout the NT epistles.
Beseeching isn't a command as presented in prior posts.
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