Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[from scratch]

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:7

How can a sinner not under condemnation of the law, and how can the grace of God save him? Don't day dreaming but hold the Scripture alone.

Sure seems to say there is no salvation by grace as mentioned in Eph 2:8-10.

 

[Stryder06]

It appears that Moses communicated to the craftsmen much than us.

Scripture is clear that Moses communicated only that which God showed him. Do you think otherwise based on something else?

Thanks for the good will. Hope yours was great as well.

It was nice. Lot's of food.

 

[Stryder06]

Sure seems to say there is no salvation by grace as mentioned in Eph 2:8-10.

All are saved by grace. The "guilty" who are not cleared are those who do not come to God for salvation.

 

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yeah, and I'm right.

U's rat bout what?

Keep studying, whether you will come to this truth or not is all because of the grace of God.

Momma always was sayin take yer own advice.

 

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All are saved by grace. The "guilty" who are not cleared are those who do not come to God for salvation.

That isn't what was said. Sorry.

 

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Scratch:

I was away during the holiday so I wanted to ask if you ever answered my question about the law and the ark as shown in revelation. Did you find that to be significant at all in regards to the existence of the law?

Yes I do believe that I answered your question. No I don't find that significant.

 

[Arthur57]

Originally Posted by Arthur57
You can't have both of them.

But both seem to be living and thus the war Paul noted in Rom 7:24-25. If one can have only one there will be no war. The enemy fought Jesus all through His earthly ministry but didn't tempt Him that I know of except the incidents immediately following the 40 day fast. The enemy of my soul doesn't bother me with temptation on certian things. But the little foxes are the one that spoil the vine so I hear. And it is those little foxes that give me fits. Those cute kits grow into adults if they aren't snuffed.

it is impossible to have the mind of Christ and the carnal mind together. Either you have the mind of Christ that result in a walk after the Spirit, or a carnal mind that satisfy the lust of the flesh. The war in a man as describe in Romans 7, is when he live by his carnal mind, for even so, the Spirit works in him to convict his sin and appeal him to repentance, but he has not the power to do so, if he didn't want to. But once, he gave himself to a true repentance and justified by faith, the mind of Christ replaced his carnal mind. But this too doesn't release him from a war within, for he is still living in the old sinful flesh, only this flesh can be subjected to the law of God through discipline, temperance, self control, unlike the carnal mind, it couldn't made subject to the law of God unless eradicated.

Galatians 5 thewhole chapter.

That what I said above, the same as in Romans 7.

The physical body isn't subject to the law as Paul states in Rom 8:7.

You make an error again, the physical body is not the carnal mind. the physical body can be made subject to the law of God through discipline, temperance, self control, but not the carnal mind, never indeed can be subjected to the law of god, it must be replaced completely. eradicated and put the new mind of Christ.

The body has received its unreversable sentence and is final. The physical body isn't redeemed, the soul is. Other wise man has control of the eternal destiny of a man by ending a human's life. Very contradictive showing misunderstanding of the concept of salvation. Please go over very carefully what you said.

This is OOT if I explain.

 

[Arthur57]

Sure seems to say there is no salvation by grace as mentioned in Eph 2:8-10.

Salvation is by grace of God. Yes.

But the grace of God is not a license to sin, and could not clear the sinner from God's wrath. The man that sinned, he must die (Exodus 32:3).

This means, those who believe they are saved in their sins, have no hope at all.

 

[Exodus35]

I don't have a doctorate in food and physiology like you probably do , but I do know that millions or billions of people, throughout history and now, eat pork with no apparent ill effect. Unsafe? I don't think so.

It's the other white meat, you know!

Edit to add, if they eat their own young, why don't they become extinct?

Brain worm from Pork
YouTube - ‪Phoenix Doctors Find Worm in Woman's Brain Fox10 REAL!‬‏

Maggots in Pork?
YouTube - ‪Pork and Coke ( SHOCKING! )‬‏

There was another video of someone else that did this experiment, but the dude was so grossed out that he used some strong profanity that I couldn't use it.

 

[Stryder06]

That isn't what was said. Sorry.

What was said then?

Yes I do believe that I answered your question. No I don't find that significant.

Sorry you don't find that significant. Where did you answer that question?
I'd like to know why you don't think it's significant. You say the law was done away with, but scripture clearly points out that God has the original set. That doesn't mean anything to you?

 

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Love the Lord thy God

Love thy neighbor as thyself

I think you misunderstand me when I say the law is love. You may not follow me on this but that's to be expected.

Scripture says all good things come from above (God). Scripture also tells us that God is love. So since God is love, and all good things come from above, I thus believe that the law, given by God, was given out of love, thus the law equaling love.

Does scripture call the law evil or something along those lines?

You gave commands of the law about love. You didn't provide anything that shows the law is love. Asking if the Scripture calls the law evil doesn't provide the asked for proof. It does change the subject.

 

[Stryder06]

You gave commands of the law about love. You didn't provide anything that shows the law is love. Asking if the Scripture calls the law evil doesn't provide the asked for proof. It does change the subject.

What

I said that the law is love. Then I provided an answer for why I believe the law is love. I never said scripture says law is love. What I know about love however matches up square with the law of God. If the law is not love then what is it?

 

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hen you also must believe that God is different than He was before?

Nope, but God did change the program as promised in Jer 31:31-34 and evidenced by Jesus and testified that it did happen by Him as well.

 

[Stryder06]

Nope, but God did change the program as promised in Jer 31:31-34 and evidenced by Jesus and testified that it did happen by Him as well.

What was "evidenced by Jesus"?

 

[visionary]

Nope, but God did change the program as promised in Jer 31:31-34 and evidenced by Jesus and testified that it did happen by Him as well.

You mean to tell me it was not God's purpose to have the law written in the heart to begin with?

 

[from scratch]

Again a clear denial to the Scripture: Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:13)

When will you stop denying the Scripture and try to accept as it is?

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?2 Certainly not! 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Romans 6:1, 15.

Then did sin exist before the law - Rom 5:13, Gal 3:19? How was sin defined or noted before the law? Joseph and Moses are good examples and yet the law came by Moses Jn 1:17 - For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Why for believers not to sin, even they are under grace?

Is it impossible for believers to sin? No! That is why we have I Jn 1:9-2:1. It isn't a life style.

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:7.

While this is foundin the law it refers to sin which was in the world before the law and has been superceded that is come to an end of jurisdiction for a specific group of people known as Christians. Gal 3:19, I Tim 1:9-10. The Christian has passed from death (condemnation) to life - Jn 5:24. This means the Christian has passed the judgement. and isn't condemned - Romans 8:1-4.

How could you come to the conclusion if under grace, sin is not condemned?

Now yank back hard on dem hosses ya hear. I don't promote such a crazy idea. But to say if a Christian sins in and by the flesh, they aren't following the leading of the Spirit and have an advocate with the Father, Who goes by the names of Jesus. There is a difference in a sin opposed to a life style of sin. I certian don't authorize, promote or condone either.

 

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You mean to tell me it was not God's purpose to have the law written in the heart to begin with?

Apparently. I guess that is why God said He would now do that very thing.

 

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What was "evidenced by Jesus"?

The doing away with the law.

 

[Stryder06]

The doing away with the law.

Christ did do away with certain aspects of the law. There is no more sacrifice now because Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. We don't worry about circumcision because it is not the flesh but the heart.

But those pesky ten...

Yeah those bad boys still exist and are still in force. You sure you don't see any significance in revelation where John sees the ark of His covenant?

 

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What

I said that the law is love. Then I provided an answer for why I believe the law is love. I never said scripture says law is love. What I know about love however matches up square with the law of God. If the law is not love then what is it?

Indeed you said the law is love. I asked where the Bible says the law is love. You gave commands of the law and not proof that the law is love.

The sole purpose of the law is to condemn so that love might be shown by God - Rom 11:32.

The law charges everything and doesn't love anything.