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Do we vote, and for whom?

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We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?
 

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We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?
Certainly. If the long term course of events is set, the thousands of political decisions and choices along the way are not.

Take abortion, for example. Would it be wise to abstain from voting for a pro-life candidate simply because someday, in the future, the age will come to its end?

Christ urged us to bury the dead, console those who are grieving, clothe the naked, and so on. He could instead have said (BUT DID NOT), "Don't bother with any of that because the world will end sometime in the future." o_O
 
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We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?
No, let's just all just climb up on the roof and wait for Jesus to get here. Of course we vote. We don't know when the end is coming... It could be thousands of years away.
 
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does it make sense to vote at all any more?
President? I though the vote was to decide if they are going to raise our property tax. That is all anyone seems to talk about. My property taxes are under $3,000 a years so I consider myself pretty lucky that I do not have to pay two or three times that amount. We go to look at a house I do not ask how much the house is, I ask how much are the taxes.
 
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We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?
If one's preference is to vote Democrat then no, there is no purpose in voting. May as well give up.

But if their preference is to vote for any other party, sure, go right ahead, what's the harm?
 
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We don't know when the end is coming... It could be thousands of years away.
1,000 years from now would be closer to the beginning of the new heaven and new earth. Of course every end has a new beginning and every beginning follows the end of something.
 
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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke (in a letter addressed to Thomas Mercer).

"Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." –Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).
 
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If one's preference is to vote Democrat then no, there is no purpose in voting. May as well give up.

The Democrats took control of the House of Representatives so we do still have checks and balances in this country. They do still have a say in what is going on.
 
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The logic you're using as to why one might decide not to vote would mean I should ask myself why do anything at all.
That's a little baby with the bathwater-ish; we could spend the time instead helping our neighbors, helping the needy, evangelizing the lost, and preparing for what comes at the end of the road instead of arguing which path we are going to take there.
 
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President? I though the vote was to decide if they are going to raise our property tax. That is all anyone seems to talk about. My property taxes are under $3,000 a years so I consider myself pretty lucky that I do not have to pay two or three times that amount. We go to look at a house I do not ask how much the house is, I ask how much are the taxes.
Yes for president. I should have made that clearer.
 
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We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?
There is a verse in Jeremiah, written to the northern Kingdom (Israel) when scattered in the nations (where they still are) and it basically says (and I paraphrase) to do what you can to bring peace into the communities we find ourselves. Now, we can't legislate morality, but we can vote for the person who while fallible, does the least damage. For me it is a simple choice... I can't justify abortion because by the time a woman finds out she is pregnant, not only does the babies genetic code declare it to be a unique human being, but the heart is already beating. So on that point alone, I can't vote for anyone who aligns to that kind of culture of death. But, that is my problem and how I deal with it in the ballot box. :)
 
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If one's preference is to vote Democrat then no, there is no purpose in voting. May as well give up.

But if their preference is to vote for any other party, sure, go right ahead, what's the harm?
My position is, liberal or conservative, their agendas all come from the same source and lead to the same end.
 
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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke (in a letter addressed to Thomas Mercer).

"Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." –Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).
Goes along with "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil". But the Republicans and democrats have proven themselves to both be such liars - so do we decide to vote for one set of lies over another? Is voting for the lesser evil still not a vote for evil?
 
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Goes along with "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil". But the Republicans and democrats have proven themselves to both be such liars - so do we decide to vote for one set of lies over another? Is voting for the lesser evil still not a vote for evil?
I pray as I vote. I do not look at party. It is the most responsible on the ticket.
 
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There is a verse in Jeremiah, written to the northern Kingdom (Israel) when scattered in the nations (where they still are) and it basically says (and I paraphrase) to do what you can to bring peace into the communities we find ourselves. Now, we can't legislate morality, but we can vote for the person who while fallible, does the least damage. For me it is a simple choice... I can't justify abortion because by the time a woman finds out she is pregnant, not only does the babies genetic code declare it to be a unique human being, but the heart is already beating. So on that point alone, I can't vote for anyone who aligns to that kind of culture of death. But, that is my problem and how I deal with it in the ballot box. :)
That goes along with what another poster said, that there are still issues to address along the way. Abortion being one of them. But again, can we really sway the path we are on? We vote in Trump as the lesser evil over Hillary. Many seem to think he's the anointed one. BUT - his is the group that steals from the poor and middle to enrich his already rich buddies. His is the group that, when faced with pleas from the sick, buys up the companies that make medicines and jacks the prices up. The face of the conservative movement isn't Jesus, it's Martin Shkreli. Do we empower greed and selfishness just to over rule abortion?
 
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I pray as I vote. I do not look at party. It is the most responsible on the ticket.

I'm the opposite. I vote for the party that uphold's Christian values - Republican. In fact, I can't see how any God fearing Christian could even consider the Dem. party. And if you are voting for any third party, you are just throwing away your power to vote.
 
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I pray as I vote. I do not look at party. It is the most responsible on the ticket.
But that's the point - neither party is responsible enough to vote for. They BOTH promote evil, unBiblical positions. Vote against abortion and you vote for those serving mammon. Vote against mammom-grubbing and you then vote for liberal causes like abdication of personal responsibility and any-sex you want to be thinking. When individual issues come up, I can see voting on that, but the hodge-podge mess that is the republicans and democrats? Either way, it's a vote for evil.
 
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I'm the opposite. I vote for the party that uphold's Christian values - Republican. In fact, I can't see how any God fearing Christian could even consider the Dem. party. And if you are voting for any third party, you are just throwing away your power to vote.
But the republicans don't uphold Christian values. They are the party of money and greed, both distinctly un-Bibical positions. As much as Bill Maher is a nut case, he gets it right on that...
 
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I'm the opposite. I vote for the party that uphold's Christian values - Republican. In fact, I can't see how any God fearing Christian could even consider the Dem. party. And if you are voting for any third party, you are just throwing away your power to vote.

I do not have a problem with this. But... I could not vote for the Mormon, Mitt Romney.
 
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