Test test. Y iPad is friedRomans 2:6-7 clearly, and I mean clearly, declares that eternal life goes to those who persist in pursuing good.
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You are evading, and tossing in a little pontificating to boot.
Make your case! Don't preach. How does Romans 4:24 teach that what we are imputed with is specifically the Righteousness of God or Jesus, and not a general status of Righteousness that is accorded to defendant's in lawcourts when they are acquitted.
When OJ Simpson was deemed to be "innocent" in his trial, whose "righteousness" did he get.
No one's of course.
Paul teaches us those Christians who will receive eternal life or not.
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath. Romans 2:5-8
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God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
- but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath.
JLB
Wait a minute! There are NO saving good work other than believing on the one our Father has sent. You say you you don't have the righteousness of God the Son, and that is the indwelling Holy Spirit. So how am I misrepresenting you? You are convoluting in your quote above. OK, Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying. How can you say you have the indwelling Holy Spirit but you don't have His righteousness?And you are misrepresenting me as well! I have clearly stated that it is the indwelling Spirit, not moral self-effort that produces saving good works.
Romans 5.21 says 'grace reigns through righteousness'; but this is not the same as saying that the New Testament believer is back under the law again. Romans begins and ends with references to 'the obedience of faith'; 'obedience to the faith'. In obedience, we can rejoice in Christ as those who are under grace, not legal bondage.Wait a minute! There are NO saving good work other than believing on the one our Father has sent. You say you you don't have the righteousness of God the Son, and that is the indwelling Holy Spirit. So how am I misrepresenting you? You are convoluting in your quote above. OK, Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying. How can you say you have the indwelling Holy Spirit but you don't have His righteousness?
Paul’s Gospel in itself reveals who will be saved....those that BELIEVE it. Faith plus nothing......Paul refers to
His Gospel as “ by which You are SAVED.
In time that Believer. Will FIND. Himself doing any and all things required. I can’t repair typos. Sorry. e er he
It looks like you are saying Christ saved us, but now in order to get that eternal life we need to persist in doing good.God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
- but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath
Yes, what he said.Yes I think each person will be rewarded for their deeds. The unregenerate have a different judgment to attend than the the Christian. John 5:24 says the Christians has passed the judgment the wicked will attend. My opinion is the judgment of the Christian will be more like a roll call and reward for their good works.
How we live CANNOT matter into salvation.I never denied this. But you appear to deny Romans 2:6-7 where Paul clearly links how we live with final destiny.
I affirm both the John text AND the Romans 2 text. I will need to post more to explain.
For the present, do you affirm the correctness of Romans 2:6-7. If so, please explain how Paul is doing something other than saying that how we live matters into salvation.
Righteousness we get is the Righteousness of God or Jesus. Of course, God is the SOURCE of the righteous status we are imputed with. But I see no Biblical case that God sees is as possessing Jesus's righteousness.
Mankind on the other hand, was found guilty and given the death sentence.Lord Jesus saw our guilt and died IN OUR PLACE , to satisfy our death sentence. He took our sin upon Himself and gave us His righteousness.
Forget the analogy then. Do you have any knowledge of how the Hebrew lawcourt worked? Stated simply, the judge imputes a status of righteousness to whichever of two parties (accuser, defendant) is deemed to be in the right.OJ Simpson and sinners are not equivalent comparisons. You refuse to see that. OJ Simpson was acquitted, found not guilty. He did not need anyone to stand in for him.
You are simply assuming that we are given Jesus's righteousness.Mankind on the other hand, was found guilty and given the death sentence.Lord Jesus saw our guilt and died IN OUR PLACE , to satisfy our death sentence. He took our sin upon Himself and gave us His righteousness. If you do not believe this, I would like to know how are YOU are you made righteous? Do YOU even need Lord Jesus?
Agree! Agree!Expos. We are in agreement the man who is saved....the man that believes Paul’s Gospel will find himself fulfilling this or any other command....hope this goes through..would be a shame for these masterpiece. Posts. To be lost. Haha. e
You must deal with this text from Romans 2, and I will not stop reminding you until you do:Wait a minute! There are NO saving good work other than believing on the one our Father has sent.
Surely you must know what I will say. I could ask you this: if you have the indwelling Spirit of God, how do you not also have the Spirit's sinless perfection? Clearly, the Christian has the indwelling Spirit. And it is equally clear that we do not necessarily inherit all the attributes of the Spirit.How can you say you have the indwelling Holy Spirit but you don't have His righteousness?
Forget the analogy then. Do you have any knowledge of how the Hebrew lawcourt worked? Stated simply, the judge imputes a status of righteousness to whichever of two parties (accuser, defendant) is deemed to be in the right.
The judge simply declares that this person is "righteous" - "in the right". There is no issue of the judge saying this party "you have been imputed with my righteousness" or "you have been imputed with God's righteousness".
The person is simply declared to be "in the right". It is abundantly clear that one can be declared "in the right" without having to be considered as possessing someone else's righteousness".
We should not have to talk about this - it's obvious.
You are simply assuming that we are given Jesus's righteousness.
How do you that Jesus's blood does not simply wash away our sin, making us "righteous" in the sense of being cleansed.
You cannot possibly miss the following explanation: If you are clean, and get washed, you become clean without, repeat without getting someone else's cleanliness.
If you deny this, you are not being honest - it's obvious to even a child. So an honest person knows that cleanliness can be acquired without being given someone else's cleanliness.
Why not righteousness, then?
Where does this text say we get Christ's righteousness?"Christ in you, the hope of glory" Colossians 1:26-27...something is being revealed...within...at first dimly (in the mirror) then face to face...and we will know as fully as we have always been known...
1 Corinthians 13:12
Where is your Biblical proof? Clearly you must understand that you DO NOT have the sinless perfection of the Holy Spirit.If you have the indwelling Holy Spirit then you have His Righteousness!
Are you dishonest, or have you overlooked the fact that at least twice I have clearly stated that it is the Holy Spirit that produces the good works. So how am I in a position to boast?I don't see why you cannot accept this.Salvation is a supernatural gift of God. Not of works lest any any man should boast about something he did not work to get. Stop trying to make it mundane.
How we live CANNOT matter into salvation.
Nothing personal, but I will go with Paul.Paul the Apostle said:God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
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