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Clever, but inaccurate. Where does the Bible say that the Ten are a summary of the whole law? The title Ten Commandments does not even appear in the NT. It's that important. And when Jesus was asked to name the greatest commandment, he chose two outside the Ten.Actually the 10 Commandments is the entire Law summarized. And the 10 Commandments summarized is "love God with all your heart and soul and strength and love your neighbour as yourself" as per Jesus's teaching.
Jews have known in the past and still know today that the 10 commandments are the entire Law. This is part of the spiritual signifigance of Moses recieving the Law on tablets from God's own hands - the 10 commandments.
When one loves God with all of himself and loves his neighbour as himself, he does the entire Law... degressing from the original topic but I felt like adding that.
Joh 8:57 The Jews, therefore, said unto him, `Thou art not yet fifty years old, and Abraham hast thou seen?'
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming--I am;'
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal_3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Obviously the covenant that God made with Abraham was not the law/covenant that was given at Mt Sinai.
Apparently Marty F is blocking me. Unable to quote his posts.
Notice the Ten Commandments hang from the Two Great Commandments. They are not the same. Paul says the Ten are for wicked unbelievers God controlled under threat of death.
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10)
But, if you have the Two Great Commandments in your heart, you will automatically keep the Ten. Because if you love God and people, you won't steal, or murder, or do anything the Ten forbade.
Jesus fulfilled the Ten Commandments by fulfilling the Two Great Commandments in his life and on the cross. The Two remain, the Ten are forever gone as a covenant.
2Corinthians 3:6-7Clever, but inaccurate. Where does the Bible say that the Ten are a summary of the whole law? The title Ten Commandments does not even appear in the NT. It's that important. And when Jesus was asked to name the greatest commandment, he chose two outside the Ten.
In reference to your "question" about my statement,nope not blocking you.
Quoting quotes can be difficult in this program.
Plus, you can still quote people who block you.
Thanks for the history lesson.There were laws against murder, robbery, false witness, assault and adultery written c. 2100 BC in Mesopotamia. The ancient Mesopotamians wrote their records on clay tablets. Some of the clay tablets were fired in kilns. This was long before the Bible was written. 2100 BC happened before the time fundamentalist scholars assigned to Abraham based on Biblical texts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu
The ancient Egyptians had a code of ethics with some of the ten commandments written on papyrus copies of the Book of the Dead before the Bible was written. Some of these papyri were preserved in desert tombs carved out of rock.
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10)
I agree with you on most things but not here completely. I don't believe a Christian must worship on the 7th day Shabbot.But, if you have the Two Great Commandments in your heart, you will automatically keep the Ten. Because if you love God and people, you won't steal, or murder, or do anything the Ten forbade.
I don't agree with that for a number of reasons Hank. First of all, the Hebrew word for "new" in Jeremiah 31:31 is chasashah, which is the verb chadash which means "to renew" being used as an adjective to describe the covenant. So, it is say, "I will renew the covenant I made with the House of Judah and the House of Israel." When that is repeated in Hebrews 8, we find that the word for new in Greek is kainos. And when you study it, you'll find out that nehos (which is also translated as new) means "new in regards to AGE." Kainos means "new in regards to freshness, i.e. to renew." So the covenant in Hebrew and Greek is renewed, not new.No, you know that isn't what he said.
My view is not a Dispensational view, it's a Covenant view. The OT has been made obsolete, old, faded away. Covenant theology says...
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
What part of the law "was engraved on stones"? That would be the Ten Commandments, right?2Corinthians 3:6-7
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Here Paul was talking about the Law. He said the Law, "which was engraved on stones". Notice Paul did not differentiate between the 10 commandments which were written on stone and the entire Law, but knew them to be one and the same, just as Jews do today and (some) Christians do today.
This is one of numerous examples. I honestly don't believe you will accept this teaching, as you seem to be dead set on something and will not be convinced regardless, so I will not reply any longer, I just enjoy talking about the Law and hope someone will be edified by what I wrote.
These sins ARE covered under the TCs.
- Pride - You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not covet.
- Greed You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not covet. You shall not steal.
- Envy - You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not covet.
- Wrath, Fits of Rage - You shall not commit adultery
- Lust- You shall not commit adultery
- Gluttony - You shall not covet.
- Sloth You shall not steal. Honor your father and your mother
- Dishonesty, Deception- You shall not covet.
- Impurity, Debauchery- You shall not covet. You shall not commit adultery.
- Witchcraft, Sorcery - You shall have no other gods before Me.
- Hatred, Indifference -You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
- Jealousy - You shall not covet. -You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
- Showing Favoritism, Prejudice and Discrimination- You shall not covet.
- Selfish Ambition, Self-Centeredness - You shall have no other gods before Me.
- Withholding Remedy to Human or Animal Needs - You shall not murder
- Drunkenness, Drug Abuse - You shall have no other gods before Me. - You shall not commit adultery
- Fornication, Sodomy, Bestiality - You shall not commit adultery
- Discord, Dissensions, Factions - You shall not murder
- Unbelief, Disbelief, Agnosticism, Atheism - You shall have no other gods before Me.
- Etc.
When He gave the law to Israel, He commended them that they keep it on their hearts. Unable to do this on their own, at least all the time, it is now God who does that work for us. It isn't complete, it will be when Messiah comes... in fact, the giving of the Spirit if a down-payment toward that time (see 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5). But the process has begun, for sure.I have no problem with your disagreement. When I was writing that very sentence I thought this probably should be changed to the 10 commandments, but I didn't. I think you would agree that the 'law' of God was always written on the hearts of all men.
ROM 2:14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
But as you say, when that which is written on one's heart conflicts with what their sinful natured flesh wants to do....man will always justify his sin...and commit it.
You are right. Poor wording on my part.I agree with you on most things but not here completely. I don't believe a Christian must worship on the 7th day Shabbot.
Maybe you can recognize that I am speaking of Covenants, not individual laws.The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's Law. Sin was in the world before the Law was given (Romans 5:13), so the things that are sin are specific to God, not to a particular covenant. If it can be demonstrated that some of the Mosaic laws were given prior to Sinai, then your understanding is incorrect, and there is much evidence of this.
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