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Jesus fulfilled the Law (Ten Commandments = Old Covenant) on the cross and then abolished it replacing it with the New Covenant.
The Two Great Commandments = the Law of Christ. He abolished the Ten Commandments.In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so do you think that we are abolishing the Law of Christ when we do that?
The Two Great Commandments = the Law of Christ. He abolished the Ten Commandments.
I just see it differently is all.Are you saying that these verses prove that transgression is sin, because that is not what I think these scriptures are teaching. It is just confirming you don't get to step three 'sin' without passing step two 'transgression'.
The Two Great Commandments = the Law of Christ. He abolished the Ten Commandments.
The only way that we can sin, is if we break the law. Jesus Himself said that the law was not done away with, not until the heavens and the earth passes. He also tells us to sin no more. He wasn't saying be lawless and ignore God's law, He was saying do your best to uphold it, despite that you'll fail at times, get back up, place your faith in Me for your justification, but try your best to uphold it as best as you can.Are you saying that these verses prove that transgression is sin, because that is not what I think these scriptures are teaching. It is just confirming you don't get to step three 'sin' without passing step two 'transgression'.
I don't think I do agree with that. As Ken said all the 10 commandments were known to be sins before Sinai.Do you agree that the Israelites were given knowledge of what sin is and that the source of that knowledge was God's Law?
That word for "knowledge" takes on a definition above and beyond what sin is defined as. I think ginosis is more about 'knowledge ABOUT' whereas epiginosis touches a deeper level of 'knowledge OF'. I know that's vague, but I'm not elaborating more than to say Romans 3:20 is epiginosis and 7:7 is ginosis.In Romans 3:20, God's Law was given in order to give us knowledge of sin, in Romans 7:7, Paul wouldn't have even known what sin is if it weren't for the Law, and in 1 John 3:4,
Hopefully my last post helped.sin is defined as the transgression of the Law, so I don't see how you can deny that it was given to define sin.
You are not rightly dividing the difference between the 'temporal consequence'/penalties of SINS with the 'eternal consequence'/penatly of SIN. I make that division to understand differently than you.There is a sense that all sin is the same in that it all separates us from God, but there is a sense that all sin is not the same in that they have different penalties. For example penalty for eating an unclean animals is not the same as the penalty for committing murder. Some sins instructed for someone to be expelled from the community while others did not. Furthermore, the same is true with the rewards for obedience not all being the same.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Man is spirit, soul, flesh. Iniquity applies to the spirit, transgression applies to the soul and sin applies to the flesh.Iniquity is intentional sin.
The Ten Commandments were not the basis of rightiousness, they were the foundational requirements of the covenant. Righteous comes by grace through faith in Christ. The Law bore witness to the righteousness that was revealed in the gospel. The 3rd chapter of Romans expounds on this at length, a discussion that continues through chapter 8.If you believe the Ten Commandments define sin, you have left yourself lots of wiggle room.
These sins are not covered under the TCs.
- Pride
- Greed
- Envy
- Wrath, Fits of Rage
- Lust
- Gluttony
- Sloth
- Dishonesty, Deception
- Impurity, Debauchery
- Witchcraft, Sorcery
- Hatred, Indifference
- Jealousy
- Showing Favoritism, Prejudice and Discrimination
- Selfish Ambition, Self-Centeredness
- Withholding Remedy to Human or Animal Needs
- Drunkenness, Drug Abuse
- Fornication, Sodomy, Bestiality
- Discord, Dissensions, Factions
- Unbelief, Disbelief, Agnosticism, Atheism
- Etc.
The definition of sin is not limited to the Ten Commandments.
The definition of sin is not limited to the Books of the Law.
The definition of sin is not limited to the Old Testament.
The definition of sin is not even limited to the entire Bible.
Okay, back to your wiggling.
Can you give me scripture pleaseJesus fulfilled the Law (Ten Commandments = Old Covenant) on the cross and then abolished it replacing it with the New Covenant.
Do you really think that those verses are saying that after the see has come we are free to go back to committing transgressions?
Does the New Covenant say that? If not, neither do I.
Was Abraham free to commit transgressions? Christ preached the Gospel to Abraham.
Where does the title "the Ten Commandments" or any solid reference to the set of Ten appear in the NT?… Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with your teaching …
Hope this helps
Your opinion and my verse in response.The only way that we can sin, is if we break the law.
You're making Jesus say 'the law of Moses' which He did not. 'The law of sin and death' is still in effect and that's why everyone still dies, because they still sin.Jesus Himself said that the law was not done away with, not until the heavens and the earth passes. He also tells us to sin no more. He wasn't saying be lawless and ignore God's law, He was saying do your best to uphold it, despite that you'll fail at times, get back up, place your faith in Me for your justification, but try your best to uphold it as best as you can.
And above, you appear to be hearing that we are to be a "doers of the Torah", but that's not what it says. For we are dealing here with the "law of freedom"....freedom FROM SIN, if we be "doers of the word".James 1:22-25 - 22Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves. 23For anyone who hears the word but does not carry it out is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror,24and after observing himself goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom, and continues to do so—not being a forgetful hearer, but an effective doer—he will be blessed in what he does.
The law of freedom, is the Torah, the law of God. We can know this because of the many times it calls God's law freedom.
I'm not a messianic Christian personally and I am not physical Israel bound to the "letter of the law" in the OT either. I do understand the spirit of the law in Psalms. Something Jesus also understood, and it caused him as much trouble with the pharisees as I have with nominal Christianity today. Not trying to sound haughty with that, just feel it is an honest appraisal IMO.So shall I keep your Torah continually forever and ever,
And I will walk in freedom: for I seek your precepts.
(Psalm 119:44-45)
The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Please consider:Can you give me scripture please
Jesus fulfilled the Ten Commandments by fulfilling the Two Great Commandments in his life and on the cross. The Two remain, the Ten are forever gone as a covenant.Furthermore, you didn't answer my question. You interpret "fulfilling the Law of Christ" in a completely different way that you interpret "fulfilling the Law and the Prophets". In Galatians 5:14, loving your neighbor fulfills the entire Law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did to abolish God's eternal Law inspire of the fact that he directly said that he came not to abolish the Law in contrast with fulfilling it.
Why would you say such a thing?Mormon part II - the Great Pharisee Saint Steven.
Not the Two Great Commandments. Even though the Ten no longer remain as a covenant, we fulfill them by keeping the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people.In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so do you think that we are abolishing the Law of Christ when we do that?
You agree with the OP then?The book of the law, is the talmud. It's a system of oral traditions passed down from rabbinical jews by mouth until they were pressured enough that they feared their traditions would be lost lest they were written down, and then the book of the law was made, until it was eventually called the talmud.
Sin however, is most definitely described in the bible. The Torah (the first five books of the bible) tells us exactly what is sin.
Even John and Paul both say this:
1 John 3:4 -
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 7:7 - 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The precepts in the Torah, define God. They are God. Jesus is God, and He is the word made flesh. The word of God, is Torah. Everything Jesus taught, perfectly aligned with everything said in Torah. But, because of the Jew's oral traditions, that greatly differ from the words in Torah, they couldn't see this. They were blinded by their own traditions that made the law of God nothing. God is never changing, and what He once saw as abominable, He still does, and always will.
The rich young ruler I think.Where does the title "the Ten Commandments" or any solid reference to the set of Ten appear in the NT?
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