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Just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally.

The great tribulation occurred in the late AD 60's, and happened to the Jewish people immediately before their old way of life was destroyed. You will find many references to tribulation in the New Testament as being a current, rather than future event.

The tribulation was over by the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman Armies in AD70. Luke 21 gives the best account of the armies surrounding Jerusalem, with Christ's warning to flee Judaea; while Matthew 24 and Mark 13 give other details of the destruction and tribulation, but with the same warnings to flee Judaea.

Some of those chapters use Old Testament imagery (e.g., coming in clouds, stars falling, etc.) which represented coming in power, people falling out of power, etc.. Don't fall into the trap of the error of literalism, or you will miss the fulfillment of this prophecy Jesus made to the Jews:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." -- Matt 21:43

That was fulfilled upon the destruction of Jerusalem when the kingdom of God was finally taken (completely) away from the Jewish leadership and given to the Church. Until the destruction of Jerusalem there had been a power struggle (or, rather, the last gasp of the leadership of a failing religion and way of life clinging to power); or as Jesus explained:

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." -- Matt 11:12

Those violent people were not the Christians.

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He is referring to the valient taking it by the force of their will as to the word of His patience.

He explains it right there, in Matt. 11:11-14.

Geez, you guys and your "Jewish Wars" bias - how long must the truth of these things remain in the wilderness of your commentaries bred notions :)

In verse 12, He switched gears from God's having longsuffered Israel's abuse of David's kingdom, to NOW the valient: who believe the prophets and the law and recieve the truth of Malachi 4.

If you want to study "history" study God's "And from... until now... until... for to come" TIMELINE.

Of course, that is actually what Mid-Acts Dispensationalism is based on - Identities as to God's Revealed Timeline, lol
 
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He is referring to the valient taking it by the force of their will as to the word of His patience.

He explains it right there, in Matt. 11:11-14.

This is Matt 11:11-14, Danoh, verse numbers included. Please interpret it for us in a manner in which a person of reasonable intelligence can understand:

"11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." -- Matt 11:11-14

Geez, you guys and your "Jewish Wars" bias - how long must the truth of these things remain in the wilderness of your commentaries bred notions :)

The truth is, Danoh, that I do not believe that Jesus meant "that generation" when he said "this generation". This generation meaning "that generation" is not a valid interpretation in any language, past or present.

All of Christ's sermons, exhortations, and warnings were directed to his generation. In fact, the book of Matthew actually says it is the book of the generation of Jesus Christ.

On what foundation do futurists claim Jesus is referring to their own (our present) generation? What has this generation done that is noteworthy? Absolutely nothing, except to abrogate our duties of stewardship, under the pretense that "it is going to hell in an handbasket, anyway", thereby allowing our once great western culture to be corrupted by Satan and his minions.

This is the truth, spoken by Jesus and his servants:

"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." -- Matt 1:1

"But when [John] saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" -- Matt 3:7

"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." -- Mark 1:15

"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." -- Matt 12:39-40

"But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows," -- Matt 11:16

"And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" -- Matt 23:30-33

"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." -- Matt 23:34-36

"Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation." -- Luke 11:49-51

"But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation." -- Luke 17:25

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." -- Matt 24:34
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Peter warned that same generation in his Acts 2 sermon:

"And with many other words did [Christ] testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation." -- Acts 2:40
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Christ came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel:

"But [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." -- Matt 15:24

"These twelve [discples] Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." -- Matt 10:5-6
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Christ confirmed the covenant with the house of Israel for 7 years (one week in Daniel 9:27 time): 3.5 years personally before he was murdered, and then 3.5 years through his disciples:

"He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." -- Matt 10:40

That is the simple truth. That is God's Word. It is nothing personal.

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Its very simple: the violence the kingdom was suffering is referred to in Mal. 3:5

In its clear, 2nd Advent context, Malachi relates what He does as to Elijah, in 4:1-6.

I don't often post the passages, in my hope that people look them up, as you just did, as Acts 17:11 witnesses true Bible students should do.

And no... no offense taken; none intended.

Notice, they never go into Jewish Wars and Political intrigue and all that. They base all they do on God's revealed Time Line.

Why? Because Christ well noted, "let the dead bury the dead."

Why? Because God IS His Own Answer.

Example: Smoking cigarrettes is not addressed in Scripture. What is addressed, however, is the issue of allowing the lusts of the flesh its dominion over us through them, which is what addiction is.

No need for "Focus On The Family" and its continued reliance on the notions of atheists, Adler, Jung, Maslow, ad infinitum, all the while assserting itself "a Bible centered ministry."

I know. This comes off a bit John the Baptist, lol

But, in this, as well as in rebuttal to yours, is the valient principle of Matthew 11, as Paul also relates in 2 Cor. 1:8-12.

Brother, I rejoice that you look these things up, when you apparantly do, over the notions of men, including this one...
 
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The 7 churches were 7 literal congregations in Revelation 1:4

Ruh-Roh......

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.


Why would the Glorified Christ promise that he was going to "come as a thief" upon that literal 1st century congregation, if that coming was not in fact going to befall them?
 
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Do yourself a favor and read Malachi 3 and 4, Matthew 3, and Matthew 11, and then round out, first with Leviticus 26, followed by Daniel 9 :)

Please. Must you assume that everyone is as ignorant of the scriptures as you are?

All I am asking is for you to try to express yourself in a reasonably coherent manner. This is a discussion board, not a crossword puzzle. You wrote:

"Its very simple: the violence the kingdom was suffering is referred to in Mal. 3:5

In its clear, 2nd Advent context, Malachi relates what He does as to Elijah, in 4:1-6."

Again, that makes no sense. If you can't explain what you mean, say so. If you are trying to mimic the irrational mindset of Scofield with his dual-Elijah theory, say so.

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Rev20 said in post 81:

The great tribulation occurred in the late AD 60's . . .

Note that the tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which Jesus will return immediately after (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), hasn't started yet. For it will begin with a horrible war, which, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, will end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. After this war, there will be a terrible series of natural disasters historically unprecedented in their magnitude, such as a gigantic volcanic eruption (Revelation 6:12-14), possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera, and then the collapse into the ocean of another erupting volcano (Revelation 8:8-9), possibly one of the Canary Islands, the collapse of which could set up a huge tsunami which could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

After that, an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders will come upon the earth (Revelation 9:16-19). If they descend from the sky in spaceships, the world could see them as aliens. But they and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") could (falsely) say that they are YHWH God's main army. In fact, they could be loyal to Lucifer (Satan, the dragon, Revelation 12:9). The 4 fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates who will lead this army (Revelation 9:14-16) could employ it to make mankind utterly desperate before its complete takeover by Lucifer and the Antichrist mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9 to 13:18). For when this army starts killing 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:16-19), then could also begin one of the biggest deceptions ever wrought on humanity. For the Antichrist, who by that time could have managed to have been elected as the President of a Mediterranean Union formed by the joining of the European Union with an Arab Union stretching from Oman to Morocco, could announce to the world that he has sent a mental distress call to (what he could call) "My Father, our Lord Lucifer, to come with his legions of angels, and rescue mankind from this murderous army of YHWH".

(And all of this will be part of only the first half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.)

It is at this point that Lucifer and his fallen angels could be cast down out of heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). But instead of coming down as a defeated force, they could descend for all the world to see in gigantic, magnificent golden spaceships onto the "Champ de Mars", Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon. The "Champ de Mars" is the large open area in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. After landing there, Lucifer, a literal 7-headed, red dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), could emerge in great splendor and command his angels to capture the army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders, who could then pretend to defect from serving YHWH to serving Lucifer. Lucifer could then confirm that he has come to rescue mankind because the Antichrist, who he could say is his only-begotten "Son", called upon him (like in an Antichrist counterfeit of Matthew 26:53). Lucifer and the Antichrist could then be received wholeheartedly by the unsaved world as the saviors of mankind. And the unsaved world could be left thinking (mistakenly) that Lucifer and his angels were more powerful than even YHWH God's main army.

Lucifer and the Antichrist, along with the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, will then deceive the world into actually worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist and a speaking (possibly android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-16, Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And everyone will be made to receive a (possibly scarification) mark of the Antichrist either on their right hand or forehead, consisting of either the Antichrist's name or some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18). After Lucifer and the Antichrist have ruled the world for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), YHWH will send 7 vials of wrath against the unsaved world (Revelation 16).

Near the end of the 7 vials, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) to battle against YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon as a staging area, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:2-21).

When Jesus returns, immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 19:7-21, Matthew 24:29-31), he will descend physically from heaven on a white horse (Revelation 19:7-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Zechariah 14:3-4, Acts 1:11-12) with all the holy angels (Matthew 25:31; 2 Thessalonians 1:7) for all the world to see (Matthew 24:27,30, Revelation 1:7). Then the church will be physically resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 20:4-6) and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

At that meeting, Jesus will judge the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; 2 Corinthians 5:10, Luke 12:45-48) and marry its obedient part (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12) in the clouds, before it mounts white horses and comes back down from sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the world's armies (Revelation 19:19,21), and the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), and has Lucifer (Satan) bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54), while the birds will feast on the corpses of the world's defeated armies (Revelation 19:17-18). Then Jesus and the obedient part of the church will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2). After the 1,000 years, Lucifer will be released from the bottomless pit and bring about the Gog/Magog rebellion, only to be defeated for the last time (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

At least 7 years after that defeat (Ezekiel 39:9b), the great white throne judgment will occur, in which all those who hadn't been resurrected and judged at Jesus' return will be resurrected and judged (Revelation 20:11-15). Then God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1; 2 Peter 3:10b,13). Then God the Father will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:3), and he will dwell on the earth with Jesus and the church (Revelation 21:3).

In one area outside the walls of New Jerusalem on the new earth will be the lake of fire (Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), in which all of unsaved humanity will be punished forever in fire and brimstone with Lucifer and his fallen angels (Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46).

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Rev20 referred in post 83 to:

Matt 24:34

Note that Matthew 24:34 refers to the fulfillment of "all these things", all the events of the tribulation, and Jesus' 2nd coming and the gathering together (rapture) of the church "immediately after" the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6), which events Jesus had just finished describing in Matthew 24:2-31, and which he would later show in great detail in Revelation chapters 6 to 19. Matthew 24:34 didn't mean that the tribulation, 2nd coming, and rapture would be fulfilled during the temporal generation alive at the time of Jesus' first coming, for none of those things was fulfilled during that temporal generation.

Instead, Matthew 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation which would see the 1948 AD reestablishment of Israel, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34, Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9, Matthew 21:19,43), won't pass, i.e. won't die off completely, until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Psalms 90:10), or 120 years (Genesis 6:3).

This doesn't require that the 2nd coming will occur right before, like one year before, that generation will pass: i.e. 69, or 79, or 119 years after 1948: in 2017, 2027, or 2067. And if the tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) will last 7 years (Daniel 9:27), the tribulation's first year didn't have to be in 2011, and won't have to be in 2021 or 2061, but could be in a future year (e.g. 2020) earlier than 2021.

Matthew 24:34 could also include the meaning that the figurative, all-times generation of the elect (Matthew 24:22, Luke 16:8b, Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4) won't pass away from the earth during the future tribulation of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 18, but that some of the elect will survive (Matthew 24:22) until Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

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The rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 reestablishment of Israel, just as Jesus' cursing of the fig tree (Matthew 21:19) was symbolic of his curse on unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel (Matthew 21:43). The Israel which was reestablished in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel which Jesus cursed at his first coming. For it still rejects Jesus and still considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was nothing more than a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit. And the unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel which was reestablished in 1948 may never bear fruit. For it could be destroyed before Jesus' 2nd coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed in 70 AD by a Roman-empire army.

But Jesus' kingdom is still called "Israel" (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7), and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the still-living, unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living, unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
 
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parousia70 referred in post 85 to:

Rev 3:3

Revelation 3:3 was addressed to the literal, 1st century AD local church congregation in the city of Sardis (Revelation 3:1) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) regarding Jesus visiting that congregation spiritually (not physically) in judgment if it didn't repent. Compare 1 Corinthians 5:3, where the apostle Paul said that he had judged someone in a congregation by his spiritual presence despite his being absent from that congregation physically. Revelation 2:5 and Revelation 2:16 can be understood in this same, spiritual sense with regard to the literal, local church congregations in Ephesus and Pergamos.

Also, regarding Revelation 2:25, it didn't require that Jesus would ever actually come physically before the 1st-century AD members of the literal, local church congregation in Thyatira died off, just as, for example, Matthew 5:18 didn't require that heaven and earth had to pass away before Jesus abolished the letter of the Old Covenant law, which he did on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6). Also, the 1st century AD city of Thyatira still exists today as a thriving city in Turkey, where Christians still live. So Revelation 2:25 can include an encouragement to Christians living in that city still today to keep the faith until Jesus' physical, 2nd coming, whether or not they die before it actually happens.
 
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Bible2 said:
The 7 churches were 7 literal congregations in Reve 1:4.
Ruh-Roh......

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Why would the Glorified Christ promise that he was going to "come as a thief" upon that literal 1st century congregation, if that coming was not in fact going to befall them?
Now that is a good question!
Which of those cities are still around and active?
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The great tribulation occurred in the late AD 60's, and happened to the Jewish people immediately before their old way of life was destroyed. You will find many references to tribulation in the New Testament as being a current, rather than future event.

The tribulation was over by the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman Armies in AD70. Luke 21 gives the best account of the armies surrounding Jerusalem, with Christ's warning to flee Judaea; while Matthew 24 and Mark 13 give other details of the destruction and tribulation, but with the same warnings to flee Judaea.

Some of those chapters use Old Testament imagery (e.g., coming in clouds, stars falling, etc.) which represented coming in power, people falling out of power, etc.. Don't fall into the trap of the error of literalism, or you will miss the fulfillment of this prophecy Jesus made to the Jews:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." -- Matt 21:43

That was fulfilled upon the destruction of Jerusalem when the kingdom of God was finally taken (completely) away from the Jewish leadership and given to the Church. Until the destruction of Jerusalem there had been a power struggle (or, rather, the last gasp of the leadership of a failing religion and way of life clinging to power); or as Jesus explained:

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." -- Matt 11:12

Those violent people were not the Christians.

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......That was fulfilled upon the destruction of Jerusalem when the kingdom of God was finally taken (completely) away from the Jewish leadership and given to the Church. Until the destruction of Jerusalem there had been a power struggle (or, rather, the last gasp of the leadership of a failing religion and way of life clinging to power); or as Jesus explained:.........
Great post....Whatever happened to those guys?

Matthew 3:7
Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon is baptism, he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about wrath?"


2 Corinthians 6:17
wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye
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Revelation 6:16

And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One-sitting upon the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3974

The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead or the immortality of the soul, since these doctrines are not mentioned in the law of Moses. Neither did they believe in heaven or hell. They interpreted the law literally and tended to support strict justice as opposed to mercy toward the offender.
Since Jesus supported all these things opposed by the Sadducees, Jesus did not fit within the Sadducean movement.

Being closely associated with the Temple, the Sadducees disappeared from history when the Temple was destroyed in 70.

 
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