Do not greet those who don't adhere to Jesus' teachings?

[sunlover1]

It's interesting that everyone thinks that it's "those people" who need to be avoided.

And listen to "them" insist that they're right
and you're the idiot.

What if you are the one to be avoided?

This is a great question.
And how can you/we know if it IS you/us?
If one has a "spirit of error" they aren't
going to "know" it.
That's why sometimes i will ask others if
they think that I'm missing something.
But shoot, if you have a spirit of error,
that might not even work either.

I'm sure we all see others who believe something
even though all logic says otherwise.
Perhaps others see that same thing in us?

GREAT point.

 

[NannaNae]

And listen to "them" insist that they're right
and you're the idiot.

This is a great question.
And how can you/we know if it IS you/us?
If one has a "spirit of error" they aren't
going to "know" it.
That's why sometimes i will ask others if
they think that I'm missing something.
But shoot, if you have a spirit of error,
that might not even work either.

I'm sure we all see others who believe something
even though all logic says otherwise.
Perhaps others see that same thing in us?

GREAT point.

well I know my greatest sin in all these years isn't giving up or seeing the worst..

after years of being told things which people people around me were doing I had always refused to believe they were doing those things. to me " christian wouldn't do that " and they were "good christians" but it turns out that they were ...
hell was doing just that in them..
it is all in the fruit of their life.. they were dieing of Aids.. they were cheating on their marriages.. the fruit of sins was there all along. and it wasn't getting better!
but we don't want to see it( sin ) in people.
we don't want to weigh their life,
we don't want to judge.
live and let live is easier...
it takes no love at all to live and let live .

but at some point we have to love them or God enough to stand against that or doesn't hell and death rule over us then too if we don't ?

I mean look at all of the religions/ denominations etc started by men smith , Mohammed who were in adultery , murder , cheating , thefts or worse! but people still follow them. the people thinking it is Gods' kind of love to forgive and overlook.. to turn away and pretend it isn't happening. that is easier !

I'm / was guilty of that kind of false love and false hope or laziness ( I don't know what it is exactly) . Burt the scriptures tell us who is qualified to lead for a reason.. he says we are to submit ourselves one to another.. even that is leadership.. we have to ignore who doesn't meet God qualifiers for leadership . ..and I WON'T submit my life to people like that again who aren't qualified to be submitted too.

 

[simonthezealot]

And how does one 'find' said teacher?

By setting aside pride and being noble as the Bereans were noble...
Search out what each teacher is telling you and see if the context of scripture fits the message they are teaching.

I learned of the heresy of "The Living Word" church/Mac Hammond (my wof or should that be wolf?? experience) by doing this very thing..

 

[simonthezealot]

.... the scriptures tell us who is qualified to lead for a reason.. he says we are to submit ourselves one to another.. even that is leadership.. we have to ignore who doesn't meet God qualifiers for leadership . ..and I WON'T submit my life to people like that again who aren't qualified to be submitted too.

The scriptures indeed do tell us whose qualified, furthermore they tell us what the proper church governance should be.

I for example would never attend a church for example that did not make the elders at an equal level with the Pastor.

 

[seeingeyes]

who's to say tough love isn't real too.

Honestly, I don't believe in "tough love". That's just a term made up to help folks who never learned how to say 'no'. It's a useful concept for some, but I don't believe that it describes some separate category of love. Love is love is love. There's only one kind.

If a raccoon starts hissing and running at one of your babies, You're gonna whack that thing with whatever is at hand. That's not "tough love". It's just love.

When Jesus started flipping over tables and driving out the money changers with a whip, he wasn't showing "tough love". Just love. (For his Father and for the people who were getting ripped off in his Father's name.)

We demonstrate who we love by our actions.

 

[seeingeyes]

I think it's about those who started as believers but then got sidetracked from the gospel of love.

Dear HisSparkPlug. Jesus tells us in Matthew 22: 35-40: " The first and great
Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself." We are also told: " On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
God wants our Love, freely given and No tags attached. ( neighbour being: all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends) That's straightforward and easy to remember. I say this with love, HisSparkPlug. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

It IS loving to obey the entire bible. You cannot nullify the instructions in the rest of God's Words by calling them 'unloving'. Good heavens.

If anyone on these boards is preaching "the gospel of love", surely it's Emmy,

Goodness gracious.

 

[NannaNae]

Honestly, I don't believe in "tough love". That's just a term made up to help folks who never learned how to say 'no'. It's a useful concept for some, but I don't believe that it describes some separate category of love. Love is love is love. There's only one kind.

If a raccoon starts hissing and running at one of your babies, You're gonna whack that thing with whatever is at hand. That's not "tough love". It's just love.

When Jesus started flipping over tables and driving out the money changers with a whip, he wasn't showing "tough love". Just love. (For his Father and for the people who were getting ripped off in his Father's name.)

We demonstrate who we love by our actions.

I wish I would have heard that 30 years ago !!!! it would have saved me so much heart ache.. but maybe he used that heart ache too.
obviously now I see that they never wanted to be loved with his kind of love and acceptance .. the were never seeking it from Him ,
but only seeking it from men. seeking mens approval .
I gave it because that is what we were told love was, of course it was "love " but by their definitions, they were the teachers doing the teaching. Now by God's definitions what I really gave them was just an allowance to remain in sin. and for that I am sick and very sorry.

 

[iLove]

Any Christian that worry's or is anxious, or has any fear has a divided mind. This also includes whenever you bring in human wisdom or the world's view point. You have left the "Kingdom of God" and entered the "Worlds Kingdom". James 4:4 says, "you have become a enemy of God. If we want the things added to our lives don't breech security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7j-1vOU8dQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HxVSSjFndk

 

[iLove]

Double post

 

[NannaNae]

If anyone on these boards is preaching "the gospel of love", surely it's Emmy,

Goodness gracious.

what do you do with scriptures like this
jesus said "

Mat 10:34
¶
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mat 10:36
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Mat 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

obviously His Gospel is not about a Love as man defines "love".



we all must come to understand and know the lion and the lamb are both his Love.
The Jews wanted the Lion and they got the Lamb. because he loves.

Christianity wants to only meet a sweet compliant and meek weak lamb, but guess who is coming ? Because of his great love like a good parent he also protects .

Just so you know the person I was talking about is my father.
one flattering ear tickling cult, one after another for years now .

 

[sunlover1]

By setting aside pride and being noble as the Bereans were noble...
Search out what each teacher is telling you and see if the context of scripture fits the message they are teaching.

I learned of the heresy of "The Living Word" church/Mac Hammond (my wof or should that be wolf?? experience) by doing this very thing..

Scripture is my rule for sound doctrine.

But those who are led by the SPIRIT of God shall be called the sons of God.
We simply MUST be able to hear Him 24/7
Way too important.
We've all been deceived before, but I was so deceived that
it was life changing, and so I'm ever so diligent to be watchful
and vigilant... Meanwhile, I got to know the Father better and
so it's all good. .. sorta ... jk jk!
But yeah, I find my teacer by where GOD leads me.
So not really by Scripture.
If they start teaching bad doctrine, my Father would tell
me, but naturally I study to show myself approved as well.

 

[seeingeyes]

what do you do with scriptures like this
jesus said "

Mat 10:34
¶
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mat 10:36
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Mat 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

obviously His Gospel is not about a Love as man defines "love".

Did Jesus "hate" his mother? We should "hate" others as Jesus did.

Grace is a nasty thing. We don't really want it. We want to earn our keep, and we want others to earn theirs even more. We want to be recognized for our righteousness and we want to tell others how they can be righteous like us.

Grace destroys the whole system. Everything comes crashing down.

It's like if you overheard your kid say, "Mom loves me because I'm so good." He's got it wrong. He may very well be good, but that is not the reason he is loved. You love him because he was born in blood, a piece of your own body. He did nothing to earn it, and there is nothing he could do to make you love him more.

This is very much "love as man defines love". It's just that man is so stingy that he doesn't want to "waste" this kind of love on people who can't pay him back.

Not so with God.

Just so you know the person I was talking about is my father.
one flattering ear tickling cult, one after another for years now .

I'm sorry that you've had to go through that with your father on earth, sister.

It seems to me that there is only one reason to go jumping from one belief system to the next and that is fear. Fear that one has it wrong, the expectation that God demands us to have it all figured out by the time the clock runs out. Fear that one isn't good enough, and a mad chase to figure out how to get good enough.

How can one hop off the merry-go-round when one is terrified that hopping off is a ticket to hell? Faith in the grace of God is the only way. But the grace of God is scarier than anything else.

 

[simonthezealot]

Scripture is my rule for sound doctrine.

But those who are led by the SPIRIT of God shall be called the sons of God.
We simply MUST be able to hear Him 24/7
Way too important.
We've all been deceived before, but I was so deceived that
it was life changing, and so I'm ever so diligent to be watchful
and vigilant... Meanwhile, I got to know the Father better and
so it's all good. .. sorta ... jk jk!
But yeah, I find my teacher by where GOD leads me.
So not really by Scripture.
If they start teaching bad doctrine, my Father would tell
me, but naturally I study to show myself approved as well.

Do you think that is safe? If you desire to honor God and check to see what your being taught He will lead you out.

 

[NannaNae]

Did Jesus "hate" his mother? We should "hate" others as Jesus did.

Grace is a nasty thing. We don't really want it. We want to earn our keep, and we want others to earn theirs even more. We want to be recognized for our righteousness and we want to tell others how they can be righteous like us.

Grace destroys the whole system. Everything comes crashing down.

It's like if you overheard your kid say, "Mom loves me because I'm so good." He's got it wrong. He may very well be good, but that is not the reason he is loved. You love him because he was born in blood, a piece of your own body. He did nothing to earn it, and there is nothing he could do to make you love him more.

This is very much "love as man defines love". It's just that man is so stingy that he doesn't want to "waste" this kind of love on people who can't pay him back.

Not so with God.



I'm sorry that you've had to go through that with your father on earth, sister.

It seems to me that there is only one reason to go jumping from one belief system to the next and that is fear. Fear that one has it wrong, the expectation that God demands us to have it all figured out by the time the clock runs out. Fear that one isn't good enough, and a mad chase to figure out how to get good enough.

How can one hop off the merry-go-round when one is terrified that hopping off is a ticket to hell? Faith in the grace of God is the only way. But the grace of God is scarier than anything else.

well that is not his motivation. nope.
He is an only child and he doesn't play well with others and hasn't attended a
regular church for 42 years and instead sits in judgement of all of them.
and never committed to any of them for more than a few months 40 years ago. just like his wives..
I love my dad but he has real issues and demanding his fare share of God's grace isn't one of his real issues or maybe it is his real issue.. that demanding part. !

 

[seeingeyes]

well that is not his motivation. nope.
He is an only child and he doesn't play well with others and hasn't attended a
regular church for 42 years and instead sits in judgement of all of them.
and never committed to any of them for more than a few months 40 years ago. just like his wives..
I love my dad but he has real issues and demanding his fare share of God's grace isn't one of his real issues or maybe it is his real issue.. that demanding part. !

There is certainly a difference between loving someone and trusting them.

Don't take advice from people you don't want to be like. Good on you for drawing your line in the sand, sister.