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The question is if it is true.
You are creating a slander and libel on me.
So what?? Your point is off topic.
Noted those interesting points re foreign words and grammar you mentioned.
It's pretty relevant that you use completely wrong words. There is no such thing in the Qur'an as an old testament or the Gospels. There is Torah, the revelation given to Moses (alaihi salam), and the Gospel, the revelation given to Isa (alaihi salam). Naturally the revelation given to Moses (alaihi salam) doesn't include anything not received by him such as stories about him or anything regarding after his death. And the revelation to Isa (alaihi salam) doesn't include anything written about Isa (alaihi salam), but only what he SAID and what is TRUE from those. Which all reduces the worth of the bible as a whole to almost nothing in Islam.
I was only using the OT and Gospels in general.
That I agree that is the view of the Quran in the later Medinian verses and Muslims, but note this refer to the present Bible in the hands of the Christians at present. The Quran claimed they are not the original versions in totality [100%] sent to Moses and Isa from Allah, thus are corrupted versions.
The exact term 'corrupted' is implied from the circumstances that the present version in the hand of the present Jews and Christians are different from the original version.
How so? What I said about you in that post is true.
I haven't ever seen where you have done this, nor have I ever suggested that you have.
No. What you are doing is counterproductive to reducing and/or eliminating violent Islamic extremism. You are highlighting the ethos of evil and violence that is inherent within Islamic extremism and sects such as Wahhabism, not the religion of Islam that almost every Muslim on the planet follows and trying to convince people that these perverted interpretations of Islam are true Islam. There are well over a billion Muslims in this world young and old alike that will tell you what you are posting on this forum is wrong about what Islam teaches and what they believe. Do you really believe that going against the grain is going to be productive?
You're the one who brought up Mein Kampf, I was only responding to your post.
There is no relation between Shari'a and terror and I'm pretty sure what you believe about Shari'a is not the same as that of Muslims. Shari'a is not much different than halakhah in Judaism or the magisterium found in Catholicism.
Islamic fundamentalists fail to put the Qur'an and other Islamic texts into textual and historical context. This is why greater than 90% of the world's Muslims reject the teachings of Islamic fundamentalism and have done so historically. It's much the same in Christianity where the majority of Christians reject the teachings of the extreme fundamental denominations.
Right now greater than 90% of the world's Muslims interpret the Qur'an and what Muhammad taught differently than how you and the OP do. Most of these Muslims were born into Islam and have practiced it their entire lives and includes Islamic Scholars and clerics who have devoted their entire lives to knowing their religion, not a few hours, weeks, or months browsing the internet or skimming through Islamic texts. If anyone knows how to define Islam, it's Muslims.
Usually when someone feels their way of belief is being threatened they dig in even deeper to defend it. Very few Muslims have left Islam because of someone debating with them or by trying to teach them that it's a violent religion. People come to Christ because of Christ Himself and seeing Christ in others. As personal witnesses to Jesus Christ and the gospel, living our lives in a Christlike manor and treating others with a Christlike attitude is of upmost importance.
One of the greatest misunderstanding in discussing the issue of Islamic-based terror, evil and violent acts, is barking up the wrong tree, fire fighting and missing the critical root cause, thus allowing the problem to fester and grow.
In most cases [presumption all religions are peaceful], the attention is always on the terrorists themselves whom I believe are victims of an evil laden ideology.
Here is my argument;
A Muslim is a person who had entered into a covenant with Allah to comply with the covenanted terms as in the Quran [final authority of Islam] with support from the Ahadiths.
Note the following conditions surrounding who is a Muslim, his/her obligation and actions;
1. DNA wise ALL humans are embedded with an existential crisis,From the above, ALL humans are 'cursed' with an embedded existential crisis naturally and thus all will seek solutions to deal with the existential crisis.
2. The most effective strategy to deal with the existential crisis is at of a promise of salvation to soothe the existential pains with the assurance of eternal life.
3. To be assured of the promise of salvation, believers MUST enter into a covenant with God/Allah to comply with the stipulated covenanted terms in the holy texts.
4. The covenanted terms of the ideology of Islam contain loads of evil and violent elements, (evidence available) [in contrast while that of Christianity is purely pacifist.]
5. DNA wise ALL humans has the potential to commit evil and violent acts. [argument available]
6. Appx 20% of all humans are born with an active evil tendency [evidence available] who will be naturally drawn towards evil and violent elements and commit them.
7. Potentially, SOME of the 20% of all Muslims [300 million!!!] will likely commit evil and violence in alignment with their obligation to gain salvation. Note the seriousness of this number when even a lone wolf can create terrible terrors.
The majority take the religious or spiritual, where the Abrahamic followers [thus Muslims] has to enter into a covenant with their God to comply with the covenanted terms to gain salvation with eternal life.
It is very evident there are SOME [from a pool of 300 million!!] Muslims who had committed terrible terroristic and other forms of evil and violent acts.
Here is a crude stat but [even if reduced to 50% or 10% ] in essence is very valid to justify the above point;
However from the logical syllogism re point 1-6, it is very logical we cannot blame the Muslims who as vulnerable human beings are seeking salvation to deal with an inherent existential crisis.
Alternatively and in contrast where any one who had followed the Christianity path, they will NOT be influenced in any way to commit any evil or violent act since the overriding moral maxim of Christianity is purely pacifist in nature.
In the above case of evil and violent acts committed by SOME Muslims, we cannot primarily blame those Muslims.
The critical cause for the Muslims in committing terrible evil and violence is point 4, i.e. the ideology of Islam that contain loaded evil and evil elements that would compel and inspire SOME [from a pool of 300 million] to commit terrible evil and violent [in their eyes a divine duty] to secure their salvation and eternal life in paradise.
As a control point [in theory], if there is no Islam with the evil and violent element in its ideology, there will be no Islamic-based evil and violent terror at all. In fact there will be no purely religious driven evil and violent acts at all. This is because no other mainstream religion condone evil and violence in their ideology, the only exception is Islam.
Of course, those extremist Muslims and others who commit evil and violent acts must be accountable for their crimes but for humanity sake in seeking effective solutions, the primary blame should never be pointed at the extremist Muslims but the attention should be on the root cause, that is in the ideology of Islam. If we blame the extremist Muslims, then we are fire-fighting the symptoms rather than tackling the ultimate root cause.
Note there other factors in the above model which are the inherent existential crisis, the evil potential. But these are DNA based element thus difficult to control and change.
Affiliation with a religion is a serious emotional and psychological affair but it can be changed or modified for the better. There are many who have converted in and out of religions.
My point;
In any discussion of Islamic based evil and violent acts, we must differentiate the Muslims as human beings from the ideology of Islam [as ideas and beliefs].
(note the guilty Muslims must be accountable to the laws of the land)
Per the model above, we must not put the primary blame and direction attention at the Muslims and even extremist Muslims for the evil and violent acts they committed in the name of their religion.
The main attention and focus must be on the evil and violent elements within the ideology of Islam.
One problem is the ideology of Islam within the Quran [& supporting texts] is extremely difficult to grasp in its totality. Thus the first attention is to ensure the Quran and its essence is easily understood by all. This is a difficult task, but must be undertaken with an academic, objective and philosophical basis.
Views?
What to do about those terrorists who admit that the teachings they claim are from the Quran aren't there? I dare say one would have to be illiterate or so for such a misunderstanding to take place at all. So I assume they know full well what they're doing and because of what.
