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Do Non-Messianic Jews Go To Hell?
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Yes I started the thread because I am looking for answers and I am seeking the Truth. I don't want to be part of a religion that says it's ok to **** my Jewish friends to hell for eternity but it's not ok to carpet bomb Muslim terrorists.Bulldog said:
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Breetai
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel...
Report my posts if you want.
Are you trolling, or do you really believe something so idiotic? Well, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. Adolf Hitler had a similar attitude. Killing someone because they believe something different is called murder. Do you not think that all of those Jews who were 'killed' in concentration camps were murdered?
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Is that somehow worse than damning people to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity because they believe something different?Breetai said:
I do believe they were murdered. However I do not believe they went to hell
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Breetai
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel...
If you're thinking like that, then you don't really know what Christianity teaches. We are to love everyone; hoping that they will come to know Jesus as the Messiah. That is the only way to the Father. To kill someone who does not know Jesus is to deny them the chance to know him. It's better that you have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea then to kill people who don't know Jesus as the Messiah.
How old are you?
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If damning people to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity is a loving act, then why can't carpet bombing people so their children don't have to go to hell also be considerd a loving act. By the way, I'm taking this idea straight from Pat Robertson -- he's the founder of the Christian Coalition and the 700 Club.Bulldog said:
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"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson, 1986
Pat Robertson does not epitomize Christian values; Jesus would never employ such violent language.
You mentioned that the Old Testament depicts a God who seems to have instituted a draconian government. This perception is true. His laws were rigorous and harsh at the beginning because this laid the groundwork for the Messiah's coming. "...the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ," Gal. 3:24. God has progressively revealed His will over time. Christ came and embodied new ideals; He has instructed us to love our neighbors as ourselves, to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. It is not His will that we should injure, maim, or kill anyone.
As a side note, this doctrine of the relentless torment of the wicked ad infinitum is not incontrovertible. Perhaps we can discuss this some time.
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countrymousenc
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I like the "Don't feed the trolls" guy; how would I go about putting that into a post? (I'm not terribly tech-savvy.)
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For me he does.Mr. Mephisto said:
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. (Mat 18:6)
"So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." (John 2:15)
And I suppose damning God-fearing Jews to lakes of fire and sulfur for eternity is also a non-violent act.
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Lotar
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Who elected that guy King of Christiandom?
There is no guarantee that the unbaptized children of unbelievers will go to heaven. In fact, scripture implies otherwise. So I say it is exceedingly immoral to do what you are saying.
Who elected that guy King of Christiandom?
There is no guarantee that the unbaptized children of unbelievers will go to heaven. In fact, scripture implies otherwise. So I say it is exceedingly immoral to do what you are saying.
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I think the whole point is to have faith in God the Savior!! Whether you call him Adonai, YHWH, El Sheddai, Eloi, Jesus, Holy Spirit, what not. You don't have to call God Jesus, but Savior is an aspect of God. God has three aspects, Creator, Savior, and Sanctifier; and I believe the Jews refer to God as all three, that infact makes them trinitarian.
Wether you have to say the name of Jesus, I don't know, I think God has his own plan for his chosen people. Yet, they do refer to God as Savior.
Wether you have to say the name of Jesus, I don't know, I think God has his own plan for his chosen people. Yet, they do refer to God as Savior.
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Warrior Monk said:
In the OT salvation was based upon ethnic lineage. The other tribes had no chance of salvation regarless of how long they may have lived. They did, however, pose a threat to corrupt the geneology and society if they remained alive. Today, salvation is a matter of faith. We do not know who may be saved tomorrow, so we cannot kill them today. Do not pull up the tares.
And on topic; Jesus is the only way to salvation.
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Breetai
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel...
John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
1 Corinthians 9:16-27
...when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
1 Corinthians 9:16-27
...when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
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