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Do Most Protestants Disagree with the Notion of Free Will?

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Only to you. A fact to me. There are tons of people that accept Evolution as fact when it is and always has been a THEORY.




Situational ethics or interpretations don't exist in the Bible. Only in men's minds. Again exegesis is to be used when reading God's word, not eisegesis. We don't apply our concepts to God's word, God's word forms our concepts.
Stating a concept DOESN'T prove it and NOT supplying scriptures to validate one's concept definitely doesn't warrant that it be given any serious consideration.



God is Sovereign. God is everything. God is Omniscient, He is NOT ruled by time. He exists outside of time as we know and understand it. He is also a God of order. His plan of Salvation was thought out and established way before He created the earth and ALL that is in it, including Adam and Eve, who He gave free will to. NO ONE can EARN salvation. None of us deserve it. It is there because GOD so LOVED the WORLD, that WHOEVER believes should not perish but have everlasting life. Everything God does is about US and about having a reciprocal loving relationship with His children. His rules, OUR choice and choice is contingent on FREEWILL. Just like I don't believe in "The devil made me do it", I don't believe in "God made me do it". God didn't MAKE Abraham sacrifice His son Isaac. He commanded and Abraham chose to obey. In Gen 22:15-18 God made all those promises to Abraham, because he obeyed, an act of his OWN FREE WILL and faith. What puts FEET to FAITH...Obedience and obedience comes from our FREE WILL.

Very well said, Brother!

Here is an analogy that might help, OR not.
In baseball there is a play called a suicide squeeze. A runner is on 3rd base. His team mate is at the plate awaiting a pitch. It is the bottom of the 9th inning and the score is tied with one out. The coach signals for a suicide squeeze. The pitcher throws the pitch right at the batter's face. The batter has a choice, do I stay in the box and hit the ball, laying it down the 1st base line for a bunt, or do I duck out of the way, knowing that the catcher will catch the ball and tag my teammate, who is running full speed at home plate, out at the plate? The runner has a choice. Does he trust in the batter to lay down the bunt, and therefore runs full speed at the plate with reckless abandon, or, does he chicken out and not head for home like the coach signaled?

The coach represents GOD. The batter represents Jesus. The runner on 3rd is mankind. We all have choices in life. If Jesus willingly stays in and sacrifices himself we win. If we trust in His sacrifice, we win. If we trust in GOD's wisdom and sovereignty, we win.

I grow tired of those who oppose freewill of man always, time and time again, accusing us that do, of not believing in the sovereignty of GOD. That my brother is a lie. I do not know one Arminian-Wesleyan doctrine Christian that does not believe in the sovereignty of GOD, not one. I do know what the Bible, including yours, says about liars. So, please, stop with the lies that we do not believe in the sovereignty of GOD. We whole-heartedly believe in GOD's sovereignty, as my brother Stan1953 articulated very well.

Be blessed,
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“Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:14-16 ESV

Can anyone tell me why the Bible in Joshua here uses the word; "choose"? If it means something other than choose, I need to know what it means, if the Bible cannot be trusted to mean what it says........I mean we have different meanings, apparently, to free will, and voluntary, so there must be different meanings to choose.......
 
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I am going to come straight to the point here instead of walking you to it one step at a time.

You have already agreed with me that GOD intended to have a perfect fellowship relationship with mankind in the beginning. You have already agreed with me that mankind was made not just in GOD's image, but also in His likeness. Since I know Calvinism inside and out, I already know that you will also agree with me when I say that GOD is the same, yesterday, today, and forever and GOD does not change. You also agree with me that GOD is sovereign.

Based upon our agreements listed above, since GOD does not change, GOD originally wanted to have a relationship and fellowship with mankind. What changed that? Nothing. GOD still wants a relationship and fellowship with us. GOD is, afterall, a relational GOD and Heavenly Father. And, just like with Adam and Eve, GOD created us with a choice. Adam and Eve made a choice to disobey GOD and break that perfect relationship with GOD. It was not the fruit that was sinful, it was mankind's choice to disobey GOD.

GOD provided the way to reconcile us into fellowship with Himself. That reconciliation came with a great, agonizing choice to submit to personal sacrifice at the hands of those for whom the ultimate price was to be paid. Time is immaterial to GOD. GOD lives outside of time. GOD sees all time at the same time. That GOD knows our choices ahead of time is not predestination of the elect few. It is foreknowledge. I am so, SO glad that GOD did not make man with foreknowledge, for my heart and many others would break into pieces if we knew ahead of time which of our children would make the decision to perish rather than accept eternal life. What a weight that must be on our Father in Heaven.

I have sat with unsaved people that I lifted Jesus up to, that Jesus was drawing upon their heartstrings, that chose to not surrender to Jesus calling. I have also sat with unsaved that yielded and obeyed the calling from the LORD and celebrated their new life in Christ Jesus. My heart literally hurt for those who chose to reject Christ Jesus' substitutional sacrifice on their behalf.

My Bible tells me that if I lift Jesus up, HE, Jesus will draw all men unto Himself. John 12:32. There is nothing in the surrounding verses that say He will only draw those already selected/elected ahead of time.

One must ask themselves one question in dealing with Calvinism and Wesleyanism doctrines in Christ's theology: "If I am wrong, what happens to my soul?"

I submit to you that in the case of Arminian Wesleyanism, we remain in the same state continuously. If we are wrong and Calvinists are right, we remain saved by grace through faith in Jesus' substitutional sacrifice. All practicing Calvinists cannot say that in all honesty. For many, if the doctrine is in error, will perish in their sinfulness. If they are correct, no harm-no foul, praise the LORD..................we both will live in eternity together with the LORD of Hosts.

Be blessed in the unchanging GOD,
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Only to you. A fact to me.

Of course. This is the theory, among the several most common with Christians, that you accept personally.

Situational ethics or interpretations don't exist in the Bible

Well, no one was talking about anything like that. Read again what I wrote, to see the difference between 1) accepting Christ and 2) those who have already done so making choices in their daily lives. It's a mistake to think that the term "freewill" has caused such controversy in church history because anyone is supposedly against an action that no one opposes, like the idea of people acting in a loving way!

God is Sovereign. God is everything. God is Omniscient, He is NOT ruled by time.

Now, just put your ideas about freewill in step with your belief that God is Sovereign. He obviously would not be Sovereign if he controls everything....except where you or I are going to wind up after death.;)

He is also a God of order.

Exactly.

Think about it.
 
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“Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:14-16 ESV
I don't know how one can illustrate a Christ based "decision" using this passage of Scripture. I can unequivocally state this...any "choice" The Jews made about servitude was temporary because they continued to serve idols. So, is the point you are making that freewill makes poor choices ?:confused:
 
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Of course. This is the theory, among the several most common with Christians, that you accept personally.



Well, no one was talking about anything like that. Read again what I wrote, to see the difference between 1) accepting Christ and 2) those who have already done so making choices in their daily lives. It's a mistake to think that the term "freewill" has caused such controversy in church history because anyone is supposedly against an action that no one opposes, like the idea of people acting in a loving way!



Now, just put your ideas about freewill in step with your belief that God is Sovereign. He obviously would not be Sovereign if he controls everything....except where you or I are going to wind up after death.;)



Exactly.

Think about it.

Now, just put your ideas about freewill in step with your belief that God is Sovereign. He obviously would not be Sovereign if he controls everything....except where you or I are going to wind up after death.

I know you replied to Stan1953, but he and I share some of the same doctrines, so, here is my reply, and I am fairly certain that he will agree, with possibly additional clarification..........

GOD created mankind in His own image and likeness, i.e. with free will to make choices. That is not a personal afront to GOD and His sovereign will, since He is the Creator that endowed His creation with that ability. Remember GOD is the same-always. He gave Adam and Eve free will to disobey. GOD has not changed and neither has mankind.

Be blessed,
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I don't know how one can illustrate a Christ based "decision" using this passage of Scripture. I can unequivocally state this...any "choice" The Jews made about servitude was temporary because they continued to serve idols. So, is the point you are making that freewill makes poor choices ?:confused:

Is your GOD the same GOD of Israel? If so, GOD did not change from then until now. The OT is merely a roadmap to Jesus' salvation for mankind.

And yes, freewill at times makes VERY poor choices. Isn't the grace of our loving magnificent GOD wonderful!?

Be blessed,
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stan said:
Freewill is freewill...the meaning doesn't change based on the circumstances in which it exists. It doesn't change to fit your belief in so-called election. The Greek word for 'freewill' or 'willingly' is the Greek word 'hekousios" which is an adjective that connotes "voluntarily". You can't volunteer for something when you don't have freewill. Your position is NOT supported in scripture or in the common understanding of Greek and English grammar and diction.

So, salvation has been reduced to a simple exercise in volunteering ? How can one voluntarily choose something that he doesn't know exists ? Unsaved man is carnally minded. How does a carnally minded man know about and volunteer for something in the spiritual realm ? How would he come to know about it ? Who or what made him aware of it ?


Please provide a Biblical example of someone using freewill to choose Chirst. Please tell us or show us where in man the freewill is centered or located. You have not laid a foundation for your pov other than to repeat your pov without anything Biblically substantive. Just tell us...where in your body/soul/spirit is your freewill located ? Do you even know ?
 
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I know you replied to Stan1953, but he and I share some of the same doctrines, so, here is my reply, and I am fairly certain that he will agree, with possibly additional clarification..........

OK. I'm not one of those who ever says "I wasn't talking to YOU." :)

GOD created mankind in His own image and likeness, i.e. with free will to make choices.

Agreed

That is not a personal afront to GOD and His sovereign will, since He is the Creator that endowed His creation with that ability. Remember GOD is the same-always. He gave Adam and Eve free will to disobey. GOD has not changed and neither has mankind.

Yes, but it is almost universally recognized among Christians that Adam and Eve sinned against God and that the entrance of sin into human life altered their situation.

We are still made in the image and likeness of God (defined by me in answer to an earlier question), BUT we are all sinners. Adam and Eve originally were not. Man being unable to choose God, God has been merciful to bring to faith those of us he chooses, and so save them despite our unworthiness.
 
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So, salvation has been reduced to a simple exercise in volunteering ? How can one voluntarily choose something that he doesn't know exists ? Unsaved man is carnally minded. How does a carnally minded man know about and volunteer for something in the spiritual realm ? How would he come to know about it ? Who or what made him aware of it ?


Please provide a Biblical example of someone using freewill to choose Chirst. Please tell us or show us where in man the freewill is centered or located. You have not laid a foundation for your pov other than to repeat your pov without anything Biblically substantive. Just tell us...where in your body/soul/spirit is your freewill located ? Do you even know ?

Since I am online right now and Stan is not, I will address the first statement. Surrender, not volunteer, necessarily. It is a matter of surrendering our will to GOD's will.
 
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Is your GOD the same GOD of Israel? If so, GOD did not change from then until now. The OT is merely a roadmap to Jesus' salvation for mankind.

And yes, freewill at times makes VERY poor choices. Isn't the grace of our loving magnificent GOD wonderful!?

Be blessed,
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Indeed, freewill makes poor choices. And freewill simply cannot choose Christ. Unsaved man does not know there is a dilemma. A carnally minded man, at enmity with God, with an unbelieving, stubborn, and unwilling heart, with a bent away from God, will not and cannot choose to serve The Living God.


How does a sinful man, walking in darkness and liking it because it is his nature, "decide" he wants to now be in the light ? Since a man is held captive by the snare of the devil, how in his human frailty is he able with his inherent weakness and powerlessness able to bind up the strong-man and escape ?
 
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OK. I'm not one of those who ever says "I wasn't talking to YOU." :)

Agreed

Yes, but it is almost universally recognized among Christians that Adam and Eve sinned against God and that the entrance of sin into human life altered their situation.

We are still made in the image and likeness of God (defined by me in answer to an earlier question), BUT we are all sinners. Adam and Eve originally were not. Man being unable to choose God, God has been merciful to bring to faith those of us he chooses, and so save them despite our unworthiness.

Ah, herein lies the problem with the issue at hand......GOD has not changed. Man has not changed. Man's situation in relationship to GOD is what changed. GOD is still GOD.

Adam and Eve condemned mankind to be under the curse of sin. What does the Bible say about disobedience to GOD? That Adam and Eve would bring death to mankind. They, Adam and Eve, interrupted the perfect relationship with GOD for mankind. GOD did not change, mankind did not change. IT is the relationship that changed.

GOD, in His foreknowledge provided the perfect solution to the changed relationship: trust and faith in Jesus, that reestablishes that relationship and life to mankind.

Please note that Paul, in all of his letters to Christians is talking about what a wretched man that he is and whom it is that can save him from his sinful wretchedness. Paul is still a man in human form under the curse of sin, with a newly made alive spirit, made alive in faith in Christ Jesus, by the Holy Spirit of GOD. And, that alive spirit is warring continually against the flesh and blood, sinful man that Paul remains, but Paul is none-the-less a forgiven sinful man.

Be blessed,
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Ah, herein lies the problem with the issue at hand......GOD has not changed. Man has not changed. Man's situation in relationship to GOD is what changed. GOD is still GOD.

And he didn't change when the Law governed before Christ but Grace governs now. God, IOW, doesn't change, but his plans involve an eternal progression. Freewill was Adam and Eve's at their creation, but they lost it for us, as Genesis indicates.
 
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Indeed, freewill makes poor choices. And freewill simply cannot choose Christ. Unsaved man does not know there is a dilemma. A carnally minded man, at enmity with God, with an unbelieving, stubborn, and unwilling heart, with a bent away from God, will not and cannot choose to serve The Living God.


How does a sinful man, walking in darkness and liking it because it is his nature, "decide" he wants to now be in the light ? Since a man is held captive by the snare of the devil, how in his human frailty is he able with his inherent weakness and powerlessness able to bind up the strong-man and escape ?

Jesus said clearly that if He be lifted up, He would draw ALL men unto Himself. We are commanded to be a light in the darkness of sin, to be in the world but not of the world. When we allow, surrender ourselves to Jesus, HE draws us and all men unto himself. We are not doing the drawing, Jesus is. We are merely servants, vessels, if you will, in which the Holy Spirit has poured living water. We are not the living water, Jesus is. We are not the light in the darkness Jesus living in us is the Way and the Truth and the Life. Jesus is the Light, we are merely the candle sticks.

I could post you Scriptures about all of what I just said above, but it is the entire Bible, OT and NT, over and over again confirmed and repeated and established to give out the Good News of Salvation in Christ Jesus, by the Grace of a loving, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent GOD and Heavenly Father, in love with His creation.
 
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And he didn't change when the Law governed before Christ but Grace governs now. God, IOW, doesn't change, but his plans involve an eternal progression. Freewill was Adam and Eve's at their creation, but they lost it for us, as Genesis indicates.

Chapter and verses, please....."as Genesis indicates" .... that free will was lost to mankind.
 
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And he didn't change when the Law governed before Christ but Grace governs now. God, IOW, doesn't change, but his plans involve an eternal progression. Freewill was Adam and Eve's at their creation, but they lost it for us, as Genesis indicates.

Also, I am not a dispensationalist. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law. He did not come to abolish the Law, only to fulfill the Law. When you entered kindergarten, the teachers did not teach you calculus and trigonometry. They taught you appropriate levels of information to grow your mind as it was able to comprehend new knowledge. So it is with the history of mankind. GOD put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and rested on the 7th day and was pleased with His creation. Later on, GOD was ready to destroy that which He had made due to our vile nature ruled by lust and greed. Yet, GOD "repented" and found Noah a man of righteous belief in GOD.

GOD's Grace has always saved us through faith in Him. You are right, GOD has not changed. His Grace was/is/will forever be, sufficient.

The Law was Grace at work, for GOD could have destroyed us all for our own sins. GOD does not need to hold Adam's and Eve's disobedience against us in the manner of those who believe in original sin and the vile nature of mankind. No, we each have enough on our own. But praise be to GOD, who has in His mercy found a way in Himself to extend grace to us individually, where none is warranted.

What pleasure is there in having fellowship with beings that are manipulated to be in fellowship with oneself? GOD is not the author of micromanagement. GOD is the author of grace extended and accepted by those willing to surrender their own, our own will to Him.
 
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I'd recommend Genesis 3, particularly the earlier verses.

Genesis 3
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.
He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You[a] shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,[b] she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool[c] of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?”[d] 10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[e] and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,
“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be for[f] your husband,
and he shall rule over you.”

17 And to Adam he said,
“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”

20 The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.[g] 21 And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

Hmmmmm, nothing about removing free will from mankind. Do you have another Chapter?
 
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1 וְהַנָּחָשׁ֙ הָיָ֣ה עָר֔וּם מִכֹּל֙ חַיַּ֣ת הַשָּׂדֶ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָׂ֖ה יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֑ים וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ אֶל־ הָ֣אִשָּׁ֔ה אַ֚ף כִּֽי־ אָמַ֣ר אֱלֹהִ֔ים לֹ֣א תֹֽאכְל֔וּ מִכֹּ֖ל עֵ֥ץ הַגָּֽן׃ 2 וַתֹּ֥אמֶר הָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה אֶל־ הַנָּחָ֑שׁ מִפְּרִ֥י עֵֽץ־ הַגָּ֖ן נֹאכֵֽל׃ 3 וּמִפְּרִ֣י הָעֵץ֮ אֲשֶׁ֣ר בְּתֹוךְ־ הַגָּן֒ אָמַ֣ר אֱלֹהִ֗ים לֹ֤א תֹֽאכְלוּ֙ מִמֶּ֔נּוּ וְלֹ֥א תִגְּע֖וּ בֹּ֑ו פֶּן־ תְּמֻתֽוּן׃ 4 וַיֹּ֥אמֶר הַנָּחָ֖שׁ אֶל־ הָֽאִשָּׁ֑ה לֹֽא־ מֹ֖ות תְּמֻתֽוּן׃ 5 כִּ֚י יֹדֵ֣עַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים כִּ֗י בְּיֹום֙ אֲכָלְכֶ֣ם מִמֶּ֔נּוּ וְנִפְקְח֖וּ עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם וִהְיִיתֶם֙ כֵּֽאלֹהִ֔ים יֹדְעֵ֖י טֹ֥וב וָרָֽע׃
6 וַתֵּ֣רֶא הָֽאִשָּׁ֡ה כִּ֣י טֹוב֩ הָעֵ֨ץ לְמַאֲכָ֜ל וְכִ֧י תַֽאֲוָה־ ה֣וּא לָעֵינַ֗יִם וְנֶחְמָ֤ד הָעֵץ֙ לְהַשְׂכִּ֔יל וַתִּקַּ֥ח מִפִּרְיֹ֖ו וַתֹּאכַ֑ל וַתִּתֵּ֧ן גַּם־ לְאִישָׁ֛הּ עִמָּ֖הּ וַיֹּאכַֽל׃ 7 וַתִּפָּקַ֙חְנָה֙ עֵינֵ֣י שְׁנֵיהֶ֔ם וַיֵּ֣דְע֔וּ כִּ֥י עֵֽירֻמִּ֖ם הֵ֑ם וַֽיִּתְפְּרוּ֙ עֲלֵ֣ה תְאֵנָ֔ה וַיַּעֲשׂ֥וּ לָהֶ֖ם חֲגֹרֹֽת׃
8 וַֽיִּשְׁמְע֞וּ אֶת־ קֹ֨ול יְהוָ֧ה אֱלֹהִ֛ים מִתְהַלֵּ֥ךְ בַּגָּ֖ן לְר֣וּחַ הַיֹּ֑ום וַיִּתְחַבֵּ֨א הָֽאָדָ֜ם וְאִשְׁתֹּ֗ו מִפְּנֵי֙ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֔ים בְּתֹ֖וךְ עֵ֥ץ הַגָּֽן׃ 9 וַיִּקְרָ֛א יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶל־ הָֽאָדָ֑ם וַיֹּ֥אמֶר לֹ֖ו אַיֶּֽכָּה׃ 10 וַיֹּ֕אמֶר אֶת־ קֹלְךָ֥ שָׁמַ֖עְתִּי בַּגָּ֑ן וָאִירָ֛א כִּֽי־ עֵירֹ֥ם אָנֹ֖כִי וָאֵחָבֵֽא׃ 11 וַיֹּ֕אמֶר מִ֚י הִגִּ֣יד לְךָ֔ כִּ֥י עֵירֹ֖ם אָ֑תָּה הֲמִן־ הָעֵ֗ץ אֲשֶׁ֧ר צִוִּיתִ֛יךָ לְבִלְתִּ֥י אֲכָל־ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ אָכָֽלְתָּ׃ 12 וַיֹּ֖אמֶר הָֽאָדָ֑ם הָֽאִשָּׁה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר נָתַ֣תָּה עִמָּדִ֔י הִ֛וא נָֽתְנָה־ לִּ֥י מִן־ הָעֵ֖ץ וָאֹכֵֽל׃ 13 וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהוָ֧ה אֱלֹהִ֛ים לָאִשָּׁ֖ה מַה־ זֹּ֣את עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה הַנָּחָ֥שׁ הִשִּׁיאַ֖נִי וָאֹכֵֽל׃
14 וַיֹּאמֶר֩ יְהֹוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֥ים אֶֽל־ הַנָּחָשׁ֮ כִּ֣י עָשִׂ֣יתָ זֹּאת֒ אָר֤וּר אַתָּה֙ מִכָּל־ הַבְּהֵמָ֔ה וּמִכֹּ֖ל חַיַּ֣ת הַשָּׂדֶ֑ה עַל־ גְּחֹנְךָ֣ תֵלֵ֔ךְ וְעָפָ֥ר תֹּאכַ֖ל כָּל־ יְמֵ֥י חַיֶּֽיךָ׃
 
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