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It doesn't seem to bother Washington.
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Ah, you know full well what Biblical Christianity is. It is my Christianity versus your Christianity.
A lot of people would say that how one LIVES and BEHAVES is a more important part of being a Christian than saying "I'm a 'Biblical Christian' and you're not." (with apologies to Chevy Chase)
Absolutely. This is why there are different church groups. It's like the Baptist saying they are Biblical and the Methodist are not. They are both Christian groups who happen to view parts of the Bible different. Just like the Masons here see no conflict with their faith and the lodge. I would not want someone in my lodge who thought it was against their faith to be there.
So not swearing oaths.
Or maybe the rest of Matthew 5:
"38 You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.[f] 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away."
When Christians do that then we can worry about whether or not they are doing Matthew 5:33-37.
Is that your determiner of whether a person is living as Christ taught us to live?
So you never do...right? Christ did, you know, so that might give anyone who thinks this is a cut and dried matter some second thoughts.A person? The gospel says dont swear. Matthew 5:34
Does your lodge come first or your faith?
Do Bahai's believe in the resurrection of Christ as Masons do?
A lot of people would say that how one LIVES and BEHAVES is a more important part of being a Christian than saying "I'm a 'Biblical Christian' and you're not." (with apologies to Chevy Chase)
I don't remember you saying, when this came up before, that you won't swear in court if called as a juror or witness, won't swear if joining the military, or in any other situation. Would you?
The GL is the authority for their jurisdiction, and they have direct control over their subordinate lodges. What they teach is Masonic 'truth' in their jurisdictions.Simpleman25 said:He relies to much on GL documents, believing them to be the final word.
That is untrue. I believe you when you say that your lodge violates your GL guidelines on membership. I do not believe you when you say a candidate memorizes his obligation before undergoing the EA degree.My lodge for example openly states that only Christians will be allowed to join. Other masons on this forum don't have that guideline in their lodge. What does skip do? Call me a liar.
No, you haven't.Albion and I have offered it to him.
No, I think you are using the same tactics of deception to achieve a common goal.Yet skip thinks we are somehow in cahoots.
Not sure that is true, unless you consider your Freemasonry social group on this site 'open.'Fact is only time we've talked is here in an open forum.
No, you haven't. Feel free to provide the link to such explanations. Cordially, Skip.He's still wondering why I believe emfj and e511 are cults. I've explained it in great detail nnumerous times.
That is untrue. They tell us it is more a 'society with secrets.'smaneck said:The Freemasons is a secret society.
Actually, there is quite a bit of uniformity in the degrees, though differences do exist. Some jurisdictions make more or less of the ritual optional to shorten things, and there are shortened degrees that can be used. They are certainly not lockstep; however, 'uniform' is applicable.Yeah, but it doesn't sound to me like there is that much uniformity.
No, it doesn't. As I mentioned in an earlier post, many entering the EA degree choose not to do the research to learn what will happen. Certainly it is out there, but they want to treat it as a mystery. At no time, Simpleman25's comments notwithstanding, are they shown the EA ritual and obligations beforehand.And if this information is so freely given as you suggest, doesn't that give lie to your assertion that candidates have no idea what they are swearing to until they are standing there naked and blindfolded?
Interesting to see that you don't hold him to the same standards you hold me. I'll put that down to experience.Naah
No.Now is Freemasonry a cult?
And you'd be wrong.But since I have no reason to think Simpleman is a liar, I would presume they do so at his Lodge.
I wouldn't know, but I'll bow to your experience in the matter. Your comment on catfish shows that you really have no clue. Cordially, Skip.Isn't picking and choosing fun?
Untrue. You didn't ask me what I did with it; rather you claimed I spent none of it. What makes you think my ministry has income?Albion said:I never asked if you spent any money on your "ministry." I asked what you did with the income...
And upon what facts do you conclude I stockpile anything?You can't just stockpile contributions for no purpose as I understand tax-free organizations.")
Untrue.Then some have been issued for you.
More useful to point out how lacking your research skills are, though. More amusing as well.It would have taken you fewer keystrokes just to answer, rather than avoiding an answer.
That's right. I receive no taxpayer-support.You have a tax-exempted, federally recognized organization that amounts to you alone, and you don't consider that to be taxpayer-supported?
I guess you must have missed my post #493, or forget it as you typed that comment.I was giving you the opportunity to settle the matter rather than simply make accusations, as you do, and refuse all answers.
Asked and answered.It whether or not it's the same as the church in Fayetteville by that name.
Not at all. Your posts are serving to 'remove all doubt' about you, Pray continue. Cordially, Skip.And considering the stream of insults and accusations you closed your post with, I'm interpreting that to mean you've ended the dialogue.
I wouldn't know, but I'll bow to your experience in the matter. Your comment on catfish shows that you really have no clue. Cordially, Skip.
Not exactly, but as I read them I'm noticing that he's not saying much of anything and certainly nothing that requires a response. .Is anyone else getting dizzy from skips comments?
In case anyone wonders, that's why I inquired into his own organization.He's claiming that he knows exactly what happens in my home lodge!
Then he refuses to answer questions and blames it on the other poster.
This is why I believe he's in a cult. His posts follow along the same path on every forum he's on. He plays off that he knows freemasonry based on GL guides. Yet he's been proven wrong time and time again.
I agree that debating nothing at all isn't a good idea, and we don't seem to have any new questions about Masonry to help anyone with at this time.That begs the question, why do I engage him on forums? Some naive person might actually believe his drivel. I can't in good conscience let that happen.
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