Do it without magic.

[lasthero]

Please tell me one thing that you cannot teach without saying something about life starting in some puddle somewhere and over billions of years ending up with where we are today OR with a statement that all things were created in six days. They are unaffected by these views.

Evolution can be used to make predictions. Creationism can't.

 

[JacksBratt]

I'm a teacher. My students answer their test questions by guesses and suppositions. How much progress have they made?

No offense "justlookinla" but I certainly hope that when my kids write a test in their classes that they are certainly not guessing or using suppositions to answer the questions.

When I was in school, I either knew the answer or didn't. Anytime I guessed I was ill prepared.

 

[JacksBratt]

Evolution can be used to make predictions. Creationism can't.

Creation predicts that there will be plants and animals that need each other to survive. If the plant exists without the animal the plant will die. IF the animal exists without the plant then the animal will die.

This exists and there is no way that either could evolve to depend on the other without dying first. It's called obligate mutualism.

Louis Pasteur made his discoveries demonstrating the Law of Biogenesis on the strength of his biblical understanding that God created life and that living things only come from other living things. Remarkably, Pasteur made these discoveries at a time when evolutionary claims about life-from-lifelessness and millions-of-years required for evolution were becoming widely accepted. Pasteur’s Bible-based prediction nevertheless led him to the truth, laying the foundations for microbiology and the study of infectious disease. British physician Joseph Lister, who did additional work in this area and maintained his anti-Darwinian biblical principles, ultimately revolutionized surgical practice by introducing aseptic techniques.

Here are some more predictions from creation and bible principals:

The Strength of the planets magnetic fields.
Decay and Helium Release
Radiohalos in sandstone
Cold material near the earths core
Reversal of the Earths magnetic field
The world wide mitochondrial DNA bottlenecks to four women. Noah's wife and the three wives of his son's.
Virtual identical genetic programming for echolocation in dolphins and bats with no similarly equipped common ancestor.
The extremely similar gene complex in humans and parrots that allow them to speak, without similarly equipped common ancestor.
Neanderthal's are actually human.

 

[lasthero]

Creation predicts that there will be plants and animals that need each other to survive. If the plant exists without the animal the plant will die. IF the animal exists without the plant then the animal will die.

That's not a prediction, that's an observation. A prediction would be, say, stating what the ancestors of frogs should look like. Does creation make any predicitons, there?

This exists and there is no way that either could evolve to depend on the other without dying first. It's called obligate mutualism.

You need to back this assertion up with some actual fact.

The Strength of the planets magnetic fields.
Decay and Helium Release
Radiohalos in sandstone
Cold material near the earths core
Reversal of the Earths magnetic field
The world wide mitochondrial DNA bottlenecks to four women. Noah's wife and the three wives of his son's.
Virtual identical genetic programming for echolocation in dolphins and bats with no similarly equipped common ancestor.
The extremely similar gene complex in humans and parrots that allow them to speak, without similarly equipped common ancestor.
Neanderthal's are actually human.

I'll tell you what, let's take it one step at a time. Which one of these PRATTs do you think is the strongest? We'll go over it, then move to the next.

 

[florida2]

Keep the philosophical worldview that only random/chance naturalistic mechanisms created humanity from an alleged single life form from long long ago also. It's not science, it's simply a faith-based creationist view.

It's just as well that your invented catchphrase cannot be found on any school syllabus.

I assume that it's your distorted view of evolution. What would you have them teach instead, then? Evolution is where the evidence points.

 

[Star Adept]

It's just as well that your invented catchphrase cannot be found on any school syllabus.

I assume that it's your distorted view of evolution. What would you have them teach instead, then? Evolution is where the evidence points.

Currently, possibly. You shouldn't teach them that inference and extrapolation are any proof of fact, lest they grow up being little butts who infer and extrapolate the evidence of, say, stereotypes in school and have to then go out into the real world presuming them to be fact based on the methodologies taught to them by teachers. Some of them, as most people on any side of this issue have shown, will have an easier time thinking they can't be wrong about such facts because of the way they were taught and be biggots. Others will have a very rude awakening when the fact of the world is that if you walk around without humility, you're at the disadvantage.

 

[Davian]

Right.

Then, as opinion, your 'miracles' are dismissed as such.

The view that humanity is the result of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless natural mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago is just opinion also and has no place in the classroom.

I see no evidence of it in the classroom. Why attack a problem that does not exist?

 

[justlookinla]

This is true, however, if you had a group of animals that got stranded on an island. In order for them to escape their one and only predator they had to jump a high obstacle. All the non jumpers would be eaten. You would end up with a populace that had a majority of high jumping animals. Any that didn't get the trait would be eaten.

Now, cut a hole in the fence that allows all these prey to go through but the predator still cannot. In a few years you will have just as many non jumpers as in the past before the fence.

Right, same thing for Darwin's finches. Big beaks lived, small beaks didn't.

 

[justlookinla]

No offense "justlookinla" but I certainly hope that when my kids write a test in their classes that they are certainly not guessing or using suppositions to answer the questions.

When I was in school, I either knew the answer or didn't. Anytime I guessed I was ill prepared.

Actually that was just a hypothetical in response to another post.

 

[justlookinla]

It's just as well that your invented catchphrase cannot be found on any school syllabus.

Wrong. From the K-2 teacher's lounge at UC-Berkley...

"Design an animal
When we ask students to design an animal to fit an ecosystem, on paper or out of pipe cleaners, we may be sending the message that living things are designed or that an individual animal can "adapt" to its environment by choosing to do so. This is far from the scientific view that living things are adapted over time to their environmental situations through genetic variation and natural selection. If you use such activities be sure to clarify for students how what they are doing contrasts with the natural processes of evolution."

K-2 teachers' lounge

I assume that it's your distorted view of evolution. What would you have them teach instead, then? Evolution is where the evidence points.

There is no evidence for humanity being the product of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless mechanism acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.

 

[justlookinla]

Then, as opinion, your 'miracles' are dismissed as such.

Same as humanity being the result of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.

I see no evidence of it in the classroom. Why attack a problem that does not exist?

That's because you haven't looked....

K-2 teachers' lounge

 

[Aldebaran]

Okay, so for those that don't accept evolution. How did all the animals on the earth today come to be here if they didn't evolve through a natural process of common descent and natural selection?

And can you give an honest explanation where magic, miracles or the supernatural is not necessary?

Just to answer the OP.....

Ok, so you want us to give you a version of Creation where God is not involved, correct?

 

[florida2]

Wrong. From the K-2 teacher's lounge at UC-Berkley...

"Design an animal
When we ask students to design an animal to fit an ecosystem, on paper or out of pipe cleaners, we may be sending the message that living things are designed or that an individual animal can "adapt" to its environment by choosing to do so. This is far from the scientific view that living things are adapted over time to their environmental situations through genetic variation and natural selection. If you use such activities be sure to clarify for students how what they are doing contrasts with the natural processes of evolution."

K-2 teachers' lounge

Still can't see your catchphrase in there, unless you're paraphrasing.

There is no evidence for humanity being the product of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless mechanism acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.

Why just humanity? All life evolved. Go and look up the evidence yourself - I'm sure the links have been posted for you enough times.

 

[justlookinla]

Still can't see your catchphrase in there, unless you're paraphrasing.

You can see the conclusions of my "catchphrase" in there.

Why just humanity? All life evolved. Go and look up the evidence yourself - I'm sure the links have been posted for you enough times.

Why not humanity?

Make all the empty claims you wish concerning evidence, but be aware they're nothing but empty claims.

 

[Davian]

Same as humanity being the result of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.

That's because you haven't looked....

K-2 teachers' lounge

What is the relevance of that link?

 

[justlookinla]

What is the relevance of that link?

Evidence of it in the classroom.

 

[Davian]

Evidence of it in the classroom.

Evidence of what, exactly?

 

[justlookinla]

Evidence of what, exactly?

You're not reading the thread.

 

[Davian]

You're not reading the thread.

No evidence, then.

 

[justlookinla]

Same as humanity being the result of only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.


K-2 teachers' lounge

What is the relevance of that link?

Evidence of it in the classroom.

Evidence of what, exactly?

You're not reading the thread.

As I said, you're not reading the thread.