Do Homosexuals bash Christians?

[lincolngreen50]

The Homosexuality sub forum has been an area of heated debate and a source of many personal attacks.
Do Christian brothers and sisters in Christ believe that Christians seem to be under continued attacks from the gay agenda lobby?
Does it seems that the Gay lobby need to turn many Christians away from traditional Christian belief to get more acceptance for their behavior thereby justifying their sin?

 

[Zaac]

The Homosexuality sub forum has been an area of heated debate and a source of many personal attacks.
Do Christian brothers and sisters in Christ believe that Christians seem to be under continued attacks from the gay agenda lobby?

Yep.

Does it seems that the Gay lobby need to turn many Christians away from traditional Christian belief to get more acceptance for their behavior thereby justifying their sin?

yep. that's part fo the gay agenda they don't want you to know about. if they can make their sin more mainstream, and convince people that God didn't sya what He does say, then they can feel justified in fornicating.

Heterosexuals have tried this approach for centuries. Cultural relativism.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

This is quite a bias thread.

You should ask both sides, do gays bash Christians and do Christians bash gays. Both are true to an extent.

 

[davedjy]

This is quite a bias thread.

You should ask both sides, do gays bash Christians and do Christians bash gays. Both are true to an extent.

My thoughts exactly...

Let's not forget that the thread title has homosexuals listed as separate from Christians to start, which can be perceived as
it's own attack against gays, alone.

 

[Zaac]

This is quite a bias thread.

You should ask both sides, do gays bash Christians and do Christians bash gays. Both are true to an extent.

Why? It's his thread. He can ask what he wants. If someone wants to ask another question, let em start another thread.

 

[CaDan]

I was in the Gay Lobby once. The crudites were fantastic and the decor was tres tasteful.

 

[davedjy]

The "homosexual agenda" is a myth made up by someone by the traditional values...

 

[Blockwell]

You have posed an interesting question Lincolngreen and one that may not be answerable. I do recognize that you are very passionate in your beliefs. If you are anything like me you also feel that your beliefs are not only correct, but totally rational. In my mind I can trace the highly logical steps that lead to my conclusions on a number of topics, not just issues on faith and sexuality.

In my opinion most of the people (including myself) who come here and post are unusual. We feel passionately about something and make the effort to discuss it with others. This Christian forum is huge, it may even be the largest on the web, yet out of millions of Christians and homosexuals just how many feel compelled to come in here and post their thoughts? We may have more in common that you realize.

I used to get really frustrated when I read posts like the ones you and few others often make. Why can’t they understand? Why can’t they be rational? Why do they have to be so mean? I don’t feel that way anymore. I have come to recognize that the reason I was getting so upset was because I had incorporated what a friend of mine dubbed “certitude of rightness” into my thinking. This mindset is very compelling and hard to shake because it so comfortable, but it is also a mental straightjacket. It kept me from appreciating the fact that others have built logical conclusions of their own that differ from mine; conclusions that from their perspective are just as valid. I do not agree with many of things you write in your posts, but I do believe you are a rational human being and person that wants the best for us all. I also now believe that I am capable of being wrong. Merry Christmas Lincolngreen

 

[Zaac]

The "homosexual agenda" is a myth made up by someone by the traditional values...

Ungh ungh. I got a copy of the letter from yall's national headquarters in San Francisco. There's an agenda.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Lets stick to the topic please and address the question.

 

[D.W.Washburn]

I was in the Gay Lobby once. The crudites were fantastic and the decor was tres tasteful.

You should have come up to the gay Mezzanine for champagne and shrimp cocktails.

 

[Zecryphon]

The Homosexuality sub forum has been an area of heated debate and a source of many personal attacks.
Do Christian brothers and sisters in Christ believe that Christians seem to be under continued attacks from the gay agenda lobby?
Does it seems that the Gay lobby need to turn many Christians away from traditional Christian belief to get more acceptance for their behavior thereby justifying their sin?

There's attacks from both sides flying all the time. No one group is any more guilty than the other. There is very little real discussion or investigation of the scriptures regarding the statements made in the OP. It eventually turns into a heat-filled shouting match and the victor is the one with the sharpest tongue.

The threads I've read and been involved in, especially a lot of the more recent ones have turned into a playground dispute with the chants of "yes it is" "no it isn't" flying back and forth between the two sides. Is that debate? Is that learning from each other? Or is that sticking your head in the sand while plugging your ears saying "they're all wrong and I'm right." If you believe that before hand, what is there to discuss?

 

[IamRedeemed]

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I just wanted to say how much
I enjoyed reading your post. It was very articulate and well thought out.
And you made some valid points about the kind of people it takes to
come and speak about anything they completely believe, and not only
speak but passionately debate.

I believe also that in any other circumstance, it would be completely applicable.

However, what is happening here, at least from the Biblical standpoint,
is that unlike passionate disagreements on any other spectrum, we believe
without a doubt that souls are at stake here. So, unlike other passionate beliefs,
this particular one, as I said at least for those coming from a Biblical standpoint,
there is a whole lot more at stake than "being right."

If we were wrong, no one loses anything. But if we are right and I
believe with every fiber of my being that we are, some here can lose everything!

And that my friend is the difference between a heart of evangelism
and a heart who is passionately debating with only the mere goal of
being right in the end.

You have posed an interesting question Lincolngreen and one that may not be answerable. I do recognize that you are very passionate in your beliefs. If you are anything like me you also feel that your beliefs are not only correct, but totally rational. In my mind I can trace the highly logical steps that lead to my conclusions on a number of topics, not just issues on faith and sexuality.

In my opinion most of the people (including myself) who come here and post are unusual. We feel passionately about something and make the effort to discuss it with others. This Christian forum is huge, it may even be the largest on the web, yet out of millions of Christians and homosexuals just how many feel compelled to come in here and post their thoughts? We may have more in common that you realize.

I used to get really frustrated when I read posts like the ones you and few others often make. Why can’t they understand? Why can’t they be rational? Why do they have to be so mean? I don’t feel that way anymore. I have come to recognize that the reason I was getting so upset was because I had incorporated what a friend of mine dubbed “certitude of rightness” into my thinking. This mindset is very compelling and hard to shake because it so comfortable, but it is also a mental straightjacket. It kept me from appreciating the fact that others have built logical conclusions of their own that differ from mine; conclusions that from their perspective are just as valid. I do not agree with many of things you write in your posts, but I do believe you are a rational human being and person that wants the best for us all. I also now believe that I am capable of being wrong. Merry Christmas Lincolngreen

 

[BAFRIEND]

The Homosexuality sub forum has been an area of heated debate and a source of many personal attacks.
Do Christian brothers and sisters in Christ believe that Christians seem to be under continued attacks from the gay agenda lobby?
Does it seems that the Gay lobby need to turn many Christians away from traditional Christian belief to get more acceptance for their behavior thereby justifying their sin?

because I am a site supporter, if you would like I will turn this into a poll.

Just send me a PM and I will do it.

 

[davedjy]

Ungh ungh. I got a copy of the letter from yall's national headquarters in San Francisco. There's an agenda.

I will start another thread so this doesn't go off topic even more.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I don't know, but the way I read LC50's first statement in the post,
it sounds like he was speaking overall that this forum has been a
source of heated debate and personal attacks. I don't think he was
blaming one side on that point. I could be wrong, but that isn't
how I understood it when I read it.

But I think you may have perhaps misunderstood what he was articulating
regarding the homosexual agenda. I do not believe he was speaking in an
isolated way regarding this forum at that point but the political agenda overall.

Which I do happen to agree that yes it is IMPERATIVE for homosexuals to do
what they can to attempt to discredit the Bible in order for them to be able
to push their agenda ahead. Yes, I believe it is essential to their cause.

I also believe it is impossible for them to succeed in doing so, as God is the
keeper of His Word and He has kept His Word in tact for over 4000 years
despite all of the numerous attempts to subdue it and/or destroy it.

There's attacks from both sides flying all the time. No one group is any more guilty than the other. There is very little real discussion or investigation of the scriptures regarding the statements made in the OP. It eventually turns into a heat-filled shouting match and the victor is the one with the sharpest tongue.

The threads I've read and been involved in, especially a lot of the more recent ones have turned into a playground dispute with the chants of "yes it is" "no it isn't" flying back and forth between the two sides. Is that debate? Is that learning from each other? Or is that sticking your head in the sand while plugging your ears saying "they're all wrong and I'm right." If you believe that before hand, what is there to discuss?

 

[lincolngreen50]

And merry christmas to you sir.I agree with some of your observations but I maintain my belief that there is an agenda by the gay lobby.

 

[davedjy]

And merry christmas to you sir.I agree with some of your observations but I maintain my belief that there is an agenda by the gay lobby.

I started another thread since you said this was going off topic, and now you continue on about an agenda?

 

[Blockwell]

However, what is happening here, at least from the Biblical standpoint, is that unlike passionate disagreements on any other spectrum, we believe without a doubt that souls are at stake here.

So, unlike other passionate beliefs, this particular one, as I said at least for those coming from a Biblical standpoint, there is a whole lot more at stake than "being right."If we were wrong, no one loses anything. But if we are right and I believe with every fiber of my being that we are, some here can lose everything! And that my friend is the difference between a heart of evangelism and a heart who is passionately debating with the goal to be right in the end.

Thank you for responding IamRedeemed, this message was as much for you as it was for Lincolngreen. I have no choice but to accept that you hold your beliefs “without doubt.” I would imagine that from your perspective it is not only logical, but imperative that no doubt creep into your beliefs. If I held those same beliefs I too would be working hard to literally save the lives of others; how can I fault you for that? It is not your motivation that alarms me, for it is altruistic, what alarms me are your conclusions. It seems to be part of human nature to have conflict over issues we hold dear. Merry Christmas to you IamRedeemed.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Thank you for your response.
I am a little confused though about one of your last statements. If you understand
that I believe that souls are at stake and you realise that it is the cause of the
passion because eternity is forever, why would you be alarmed by my conclusions?
The conclusions are the reason for the passion.

Just for clarity, I was speaking about Biblical Evangelism.... not the general form of the word if that helps!

Thank you for responding IamRedeemed, this message was as much for you as it was for Lincolngreen. I have no choice but to accept that you hold your beliefs “without doubt.” I would imagine that from your perspective it is not only logical, but imperative that no doubt creep into your beliefs. If I held those same beliefs I too would be working hard to literally save the lives of others; how can I fault you for that? It is not your motivation that alarms me, for it is altruistic, what alarms me are your conclusions. It seems to be part of human nature to have conflict over issues we hold dear. Merry Christmas to you IamRedeemed.