Do gays pushing for gay marriage realize what they are asking Christians to accept?

[Wiccan_Child]

Hi Sis,

As a Jehovah's Witness (meaning you), we non-NWT Christians have been saying for a long, long, long time, that what you do and believe is wrong and that it is not supportable by us.

Our intolerance of JW's is well known.

How come you Watch Tower adherants, with a C.T. Russel orientation, haven't accused we Christians that oppose Watch Tower lifestyles and your well-defined culture, as us being phobic or bigoted?

Because only the extremists cry bigotism and phobia - this is true of extremists in all camps: pro-gay, anti-gay, pro-JW, anti-JW, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, liberals, conservatives, evolutionists, creationists, atheists, theists, etc.

Try not to focus on the extremists. They may be the loudest members of the group, but they rarely speak for everyone. Imagine if we took the KKK as typical members of the US, instead of a fringe, extremist group.

 

[FlamingFemme]

Hi Sis,

As a Jehovah's Witness (meaning you), we non-NWT Christians have been saying for a long, long, long time, that what you do and believe is wrong and that it is not supportable by us.

Our intolerance of JW's is well known.

How come you Watch Tower adherants, with a C.T. Russel orientation, haven't accused we Christians that oppose Watch Tower lifestyles and your well-defined culture, as us being phobic or bigoted?

Because you're not going out of your way to make it illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness. On the other hand, you ARE going out of your way to make it illegal for me to be married to my wife, the woman I love.
See the difference?
Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

 

[Supernaut]

Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

He is applying all that is taught in the NT and showing absolute consistency. That is to be congradulated.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Because you're not going out of your way to make it illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness. On the other hand, you ARE going out of your way to make it illegal for me to be married to my wife, the woman I love.

Hello? It has never been legal for same-gender people to get married. Look at the facst before slinging your arrows.

See the difference?

My reputation here (and elsewhere) is known because I know the difference and state it consistently.

Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

Same-sex marriage is a 100% secular issue. It is not part of The Church.

That's comparing apples to apples.

 

[roflcopter101]

Hello? It has never been legal for same-gender people to get married. Look at the facst before slinging your arrows.

I must note that in the USA, same-sex marriage is performed in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Iowa, while Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire will institute similar laws in the next two years.
Canada, Spain, Norway, Sweden, and South Africa also allow for same-sex marriage.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I must note that in the USA, same-sex marriage is performed in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Iowa, while Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire will institute similar laws in the next two years.

Now. And in not one of those states were the people allowed to vote on the issue. Terrified politicians and activist judges did the deed.

But so then, we''ll expect that "the laws" in the states that have kept to the law of marriage being exclusively a mand and a woman, will be respected.

Canada, Spain, Norway, Sweden, and South Africa also allow for same-sex marriage.

Bastions of traditional morality one and all.

Uhhhyeeaaaahh.

 

[Skaloop]

Bastions of traditional morality one and all.

Uhhhyeeaaaahh.

Sarcasm noted.

How do you quantify a nation's morality? Or, at least, what factors determine a country's morality? And how do the countries listed fall short?

Since I am Canadian, I am especially interested in how Canada fails on your morality scale.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Bastions of traditional morality one and all.

Uhhhyeeaaaahh.

"Traditional" morality?

Like human sacrifice or slavery? There's a long tradition of those kinds of things.

Or more like "traditional" Christian morality?

You might not want to go there either...

 

[LittleNipper]

I must note that in the USA, same-sex marriage is performed in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Iowa, while Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire will institute similar laws in the next two years.
Canada, Spain, Norway, Sweden, and South Africa also allow for same-sex marriage.

All the laws of man will not ever enable such to become one flesh and procreate. That in itself will eternally divide GOD's ordained marriage from man's counterfit excuse.

Perhaps the term functional marriage (Traditional, GOD ordained) and the term dysfunctional marriage (manmade) would bring clarification to the public at large. Bob and Pat have a functional marriage (Pat is a woman). Bob and Pat are disfuntional (Pat is a male)... Makes everything tidy.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

All the laws of man will not ever enable such to become one flesh and procreate. That in itself will eternally divide GOD's ordained marriage from man's counterfit excuse.

Perhaps the term functional marriage (Traditional, GOD ordained) and the term dysfunctional marriage (manmade) would bring clarification to the public at large. Bob and Pat have a functional marriage (Pat is a woman). Bob and Pat are disfuntional (Pat is a male)... Makes everything tidy.

It also confuses the issue: if Bob beats Patricia, their marriage is still functional. If Bob and Patrick are as loving and committed as the most ideal male-female couple you can imagine, you'd still call it dysfunctional.

Why are people so hung up on irrelevant minutiae? Why does the gender of Bob's spouse matter?

 

[Veyrlian]

All the laws of man will not ever enable such to become one flesh and procreate. That in itself will eternally divide GOD's ordained marriage from man's counterfit excuse.

Excuse my ignorance, but how does a man and a woman "become one flesh"?

If this refers only to the penis in the vagina action, I fail to see any noticeable transmogrification. I assume the degree of fusion is about the same as in the other action which some people find abominable.

Have I asked this before? I had a sudden case of déja vu.

 

[roflcopter101]

Now. And in not one of those states were the people allowed to vote on the issue. Terrified politicians and activist judges did the deed.

What would distinguish a non-activist judge from an activist judge, and a terrified politician with a not-terrified politician?
The very purpose of having senators is to represent the views of the people, right? If people seriously are dissatisfied with these decisions, then one need only wait until the next elections to elect a person who more accurately represents their views.
As for supreme court judges, their existence is (in my opinion) designed to represent the views of the past, as they have life terms and are appointed by past governors, who were in turn elected by people back then.

Bastions of traditional morality one and all.

What would be a bastion? Besides, Spain used to be home to the feared Spanish Inquisition (who nobody expects), did it not? Its population is still largely Roman Catholic too, and the Roman Catholic Church is still opposed to homosexual marriage if I recall correctly.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Excuse my ignorance, but how does a man and a woman "become one flesh"?

If this refers only to the penis in the vagina action, I fail to see any noticeable transmogrification. I assume the degree of fusion is about the same as in the other action which some people find abominable.

Have I asked this before? I had a sudden case of déja vu.

Biblical reference. I see it as more-or-less metaphorical.


Also, I once again am noticing a rather obnoxious trend. That the meaning of 'sex' and 'gender' are being mistaken. The issue is same-sex relations, not same-gender.


Lastly [yeah, just hitting the points I feel like in no particular order in this post], saying one is dysfunctional and the other functional is very confusing in that regard. As honestly, functionality of a marriage does not rely on the sexual activity of the couple.

 

[Skaloop]

All the laws of man will not ever enable such to become one flesh and procreate. That in itself will eternally divide GOD's ordained marriage from man's counterfit excuse.

Perhaps the term functional marriage (Traditional, GOD ordained) and the term dysfunctional marriage (manmade) would bring clarification to the public at large. Bob and Pat have a functional marriage (Pat is a woman). Bob and Pat are disfuntional (Pat is a male)... Makes everything tidy.

What if Pat is Patrick, who used to be Patricia? What if Pat is Patricia, who used to be Patrick? What if Bob and Patrica have grown to hate each other but stay together due to social pressure? What if Bob and Patricia do not, and will not, have any kids? What if Bob and Patrick have adopted children? What if Bob married Patricia just to get a green card? What if Patricia married Bob just for his money? What if Bob and Patricia got married in a drunken spur-of-the-moment ceremony in Vegas? What if Bob and Patrick get married in Massechussets and then move to, say, Texas? What if Bob lost his genitals in a horrible gardening accident and can no longer "function" with Patricia?

Kind of messes up the tidiness when one acknowledges the grays between the black and white you present.

 

[David Brider]

All the laws of man will not ever enable such to become one flesh and procreate. That in itself will eternally divide GOD's ordained marriage from man's counterfit excuse.

Perhaps the term functional marriage (Traditional, GOD ordained) and the term dysfunctional marriage (manmade) would bring clarification to the public at large. Bob and Pat have a functional marriage (Pat is a woman). Bob and Pat are disfuntional (Pat is a male)... Makes everything tidy.

It might do, but that's not what "functional" and "Dysfunctional" mean in terms of human relationships. A relationship is dysfunctional if the people in it fail to relate properly to each other.

David.

 

[LittleNipper]

Excuse my ignorance, but how does a man and a woman "become one flesh"?

If this refers only to the penis in the vagina action, I fail to see any noticeable transmogrification. I assume the degree of fusion is about the same as in the other action which some people find abominable.

Have I asked this before? I had a sudden case of déja vu.

They join together and have A child that is a little of both of them. They should act in unity to raise the child. They should act in unity to serve GOD.

 

[LittleNipper]

It might do, but that's not what "functional" and "Dysfunctional" mean in terms of human relationships. A relationship is dysfunctional if the people in it fail to relate properly to each other.

David.

Well, they will always fail to have a child even though both participants are sexually healthy and yet active.

 

[LittleNipper]

What if Pat is Patrick, who used to be Patricia? What if Pat is Patricia, who used to be Patrick? What if Bob and Patrica have grown to hate each other but stay together due to social pressure? What if Bob and Patricia do not, and will not, have any kids? What if Bob and Patrick have adopted children? What if Bob married Patricia just to get a green card? What if Patricia married Bob just for his money? What if Bob and Patricia got married in a drunken spur-of-the-moment ceremony in Vegas? What if Bob and Patrick get married in Massechussets and then move to, say, Texas? What if Bob lost his genitals in a horrible gardening accident and can no longer "function" with Patricia?

Kind of messes up the tidiness when one acknowledges the grays between the black and white you present.

That's an interesting point. Bob loves only males. Bob marries Patrick. Patrick "becomes a woman." Therefore, Bob must no longer love Patricia... If Bob continues to love Patricia, then Bob has proven that he could have originally united with women. Which destroys the concept of homosexuality completely.

 

[Mercy Medical]

Well, they will always fail to have a child even though both participants are sexually healthy and yet active.

So, based on that logic, any opposite sex couple that is not capable of producing children of their own for whatever reason is also dysfunctional? Or an elderly couple that can no longer have children is also dysfunctional?

 

[Mercy Medical]

That's an interesting point. Bob loves only males. Bob marries Patrick. Patrick "becomes a woman." Therefore, Bob must no longer love Patricia...

You obviously have a very limited understanding of human sexuality...