Do facts actualy point to a Creator?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I believe it's impossible to accept a statement without first having evidence in the form of a logical explanation.
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In the absence of these "logical explanations" that you allude to, it seems that you are describing yourself as gullible.

If I were to accept your statement as true, then yes you could say I'm gullible.

Yup, it's a logical explanation.

Cool; now you are aware of the problem, you can take steps to address it - a little more skepticism and critical thinking would be a start.

 

[Chriliman]

Yup, it's a logical explanation.

Cool; now you are aware of the problem, you can take steps to address it - a little more skepticism and critical thinking would be a start.

The only point of being a skeptic is to doubt truth claims. My goal was never to doubt truth claims, but rather find the actual truth. When a person's goal is to find the actual truth, they are motivated by truth. When a person's goal is doubt truth claims, they are motivated by doubt. Big difference! Understanding this difference will help in being open minded to truth instead of doubting every truth claim you come across.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The only point of being a skeptic is to doubt truth claims. My goal was never to doubt truth claims, but rather find the actual truth. When a person's goal is to find the actual truth, they are motivated by truth. When a person's goal is doubt truth claims, they are motivated by doubt. Big difference! Understanding this difference will help in being open minded to truth instead of doubting every truth claim you come across.

So if I were to make a "truth claim" that god doesn't exist...you won't doubt it?

 

[Chriliman]

So if I were to make a "truth claim" that god doesn't exist...you won't doubt it?

I would expect you to present evidence in the form of a logical explanation.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I would expect you to present evidence in the form of a logical explanation.

So you're a skeptic...just not of your beliefs.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The only point of being a skeptic is to doubt truth claims.

Not just truth claims. The point is not to question or doubt for the sake of questioning or doubting, but to do so with a purpose. The purpose is to better assess the credibility of the claim; i.e. the correspondence of the claim to the facts.

My goal was never to doubt truth claims, but rather find the actual truth.

See above. The degree of correspondence of the claim to the facts is the degree of truth to the claim.

When a person's goal is to find the actual truth, they are motivated by truth. When a person's goal is doubt truth claims, they are motivated by doubt. Big difference! Understanding this difference will help in being open minded to truth instead of doubting every truth claim you come across.

Way to miss the point...

 

[Chriliman]

So you're a skeptic...just not of your beliefs.

Note that you did not provide a logical explanation for the claim "God doesn't exist", this is very important to remember.

I'm motivated by my trust that there is truth that can clear up my understanding of the world around me, including my understanding of myself as an existing being. This is not how skeptics approach the world. They approach the world with the belief that every truth claim should be doubted, except for the claim that they themselves should always be skeptical, that should never be doubted.

However, the truth is that they should doubt whether or not being skeptical all the time is actually a rational way to figure out the truth. Logically, if I'm always doubting truth claims then I'll never accept the claims that are actually true.

We should be able to trust that logical explanations can and do point to the truth. If we can't trust that basic understanding then we might as well stop thinking because figuring out the truth is hopeless. UNLESS your goal is not to reach an understanding of the truth, but rather be skeptical of all truth claims, then maybe you are hopeless.

 

[bhsmte]

Note that you did not provide a logical explanation for the claim "God doesn't exist", this is very important to remember.

I'm motivated by my trust that there is truth that can clear up my understanding of the world around me, including my understanding of myself as an existing being. This is not how skeptics approach the world. They approach the world with the belief that every truth claim should be doubted, except for the claim that they themselves should always be skeptical, that should never be doubted.

However, the truth is that they should doubt whether or not being skeptical all the time is actually a rational way to figure out the truth. Logically, if I'm always doubting truth claims then I'll never accept the claims that are actually true.

We should be able to trust that logical explanations can and do point to the truth. If we can't trust that basic understanding then we might as well stop thinking because figuring out the truth is hopeless. UNLESS your goal is not to reach an understanding of the truth, but rather be skeptical of all truth claims, then maybe you are hopeless.

Why do you keep asking for a logical explanation for God does not exist?

No one I have seen, is claiming a God "does not exist", they are simply stating; they don't see the evidence, to "believe" a God exists.

 

[The Cadet]

The only point of being a skeptic is to doubt truth claims.

Wait, so if I told you, "I can fly, but I'm just not going to show you", you wouldn't be skeptical of me? If I told you, "I have a car for sale, sight unseen, that runs on tap water", you wouldn't be skeptical of me?

 

[Davian]

Note that you did not provide a logical explanation for the claim "God doesn't exist",

And you haven't provided a logical explanation for your claim of "God does exist". You have only painted yourself as gullible.

 

[Chriliman]

Why do you keep asking for a logical explanation for God does not exist?

If no one has a logical explanation for God not existing, then what logical reason do I have to doubt that God exists? You might say an explanation may arise, but isn't that wishful thinking?

No one I have seen, is claiming a God "does not exist", they are simply stating; they don't see the evidence, to "believe" a God exists.

Right. I'm trying to point out that there is plenty of evidence in the form of logical explanations for why it's reasonable to believe in God. If you don't find these explanations to be logical, then provide a logical explanation for why I should not believe in God, so I can stop deceiving myself. Again, I trust that there is a truth that can clear up my understanding of my reality.

 

[bhsmte]

If no one has a logical explanation for God not existing, then what logical reason do I have to doubt that God exists? You might say an explanation may arise, but isn't that wishful thinking?



Right. I'm trying to point out that there is plenty of evidence in the form of logical explanations for why it's reasonable to believe in God. If you don't find these explanations to be logical, then provide a logical explanation for why I should not believe in God, so I can stop deceiving myself. Again, I trust that there is a truth that can clear up my understanding of my reality.

I have not seen any "logical" and or "objective" evidence from you to support a God existing.

I would imagine you don't believe other Gods besides the one you believe in exist, correct? I would further imagine, the reason you don't believe in other Gods, is because you don't see any reliable evidence to believe in them. Would that be correct?

 

[Chriliman]

Wait, so if I told you, "I can fly, but I'm just not going to show you", you wouldn't be skeptical of me? If I told you, "I have a car for sale, sight unseen, that runs on tap water", you wouldn't be skeptical of me?

If you told me you can fly and I had no reason to doubt your claim, then I'd just ask how and if you could show me. If you say your not going to explain how or show me, then obviously I now have reason to doubt your claim.

 

[Chriliman]

I have not seen any "logical" and or "objective" evidence from you to support a God existing.

If you value truth, then you'd try to help me by explaining why I should stop believing in God. Unless you want me to continue believing in a lie, which would be immoral of you.

I would imagine you don't believe other Gods besides the one you believe in exist, correct? I would further imagine, the reason you don't believe in other Gods, is because you don't see any reliable evidence to believe in them. Would that be correct?

Oh I believe other "gods" exist for sure. But it is true that I believe there is only one true God.

 

[The Cadet]

If you told me you can fly and I had no reason to doubt your claim, then I'd just ask how and if you could show me. If you say your not going to explain how or show me, then obviously I now have reason to doubt your claim.

Why would oyu have any reason to doubt my claim merely because I don't feel like showing it to you?

 

[Chriliman]

Why would oyu have any reason to doubt my claim merely because I don't feel like showing it to you?

If you say you don't fell like showing me then I'd just wait until you feel like showing me, but if you never show me then why should I believe it's true?

 

[bhsmte]

If you value truth, then you'd try to help me by explaining why I should stop believing in God. Unless you want me to continue believing in a lie, which would be immoral of you.



Oh I believe other "gods" exist for sure. But it is true that I believe there is only one true God.

When did I ever say you should stop believing in a God? I have simply said, you have not provided any logical and or objective evidence, to support a God exists.

You believe other Gods exist? Please explain.

 

[The Cadet]

If you say you don't fell like showing me then I'd just wait until you feel like showing me, but if you never show me then why should I believe it's true?

Now you're being skeptical. Why are you being skeptical?

 

[bhsmte]

Now you're being skeptical. Why are you being skeptical?

Because it suits him.

 

[Freodin]

Note that you did not provide a logical explanation for the claim "God doesn't exist", this is very important to remember.

As it is very important to remember, I once provided you with a logical and reasonable explanation for the claim "The God you propose doesn't exist". And it is very important to remember that you seemed to be a tad skeptical about that logical and reasonable explanation.

You do that, when it suits you.