Do evolutionists really understand the complexity of things?

[AV1611VET]

Aah... yet another religious person TELLING others what they think, rather than ASKING.....

How do you know I didn't ask?

How sadly predictable.....

So your remark came from the predictions in your own mind?

Typical, I guess.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Only for those too lazy, or afraid, to look for alternative explanations........

Or content.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Note to atheists and evolutionists.

Many creationist's comments here are meant to be good natured mockery and sarcasm (you may continue....).

 

[Freodin]

Note to atheists and evolutionists.

Many creationist's comments here are meant to be good natured mockery and sarcasm (you may continue....).

I guess you are old and wise enough to have heard of Poe's Law.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

- The Bible says the universe expands

Yet somehow, it was only "discovered" that the bible says this, 3500 years after it was written down. Just a short while after a scientist observed the physical expansion of space.

- The Bible speaks of light ... albeit not radiation, per se, but light just the same

Not the same thing.
Also, when the bible speaks about light, it's quite obvious that it doesn't mean actual light as in photons emitted by a light source.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Note to atheists and evolutionists.

Many creationist's comments here are meant to be good natured mockery and sarcasm (you may continue....).

The words "Poe's law" come to mind.

It's not a compliment.

Another word that comes to mind is "trolling".

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.Psalm
19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.Psalm
97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne.Hebrews
11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Those are the headlines, but - even supposing we could equate those biblical quotes with the evidentiary headlines, which is somewhat risible - the evidence is not the headlines themselves, but the details - the predictions of the nature of what lies behind those headlines.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Hmmm ...That's kinda rich, coming from someone who believes in a philosophy that teaches: the more we learn, the less we know.

It really doesn't surprise me any more that you'd make a strawman to argue for ignorance by misquoting Aristotle - “The more you know, the more you know you don't know.” - (or was that Rumsfeld?).

But he also said, "The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet", and "Tis the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". Go figure.

 

[SteveB28]

Or content.

Ignorance is bliss....?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ignorance is bliss....?

Mmmmm, bliss.... [/homer]

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh good grief that's like saying we came from the same ancestor because we are all animals. Its still,an assumption.

Phylogenies are not assumed. They are observed.

 

[Loudmouth]

Then show me the study that shows us something evolving into something it isn't already.

That isn't how evolution works.

The common ancestor of chimps and human was a primate. We are still primates.

 

[rjs330]

Complexity is only evidence of complexity (and rather subjective, at that).
Complexity is not evidence of any particular origins.

Complexity is evidence against evolution because the universe in too complex to have happened by accident. It is evidence of intelligent design.

 

[rjs330]

Which is what rules it out as a scientific idea, and puts it on the shelve with all the other unfalsifiable and superstitious creation myths.

The point exactly.

Irrelevant to God's truth.

 

[Speedwell]

Complexity is evidence against evolution because the universe in too complex to have happened by accident. It is evidence of intelligent design.

"Too complex?" You're going to have to do better than that. Complexity as it applies to biological evolution is a mathematical concept. Let's see your equations.
"Happened by accident?" What does that mean in terms of the theory of evolution?

 

[SteveB28]

Complexity is evidence against evolution because the universe in too complex to have happened by accident. It is evidence of intelligent design.

I do not understand what your metric of "too" implies.

Further.....is a snowflake "too complex"? Does some unseen intelligence individually design snowflakes? Or can their crystalline formations be explained by the laws of physics?

 

[mzungu]

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My questions are along the lines of which came first, the chicken or the egg. Or, how did that turtle right itself when the necessary, and very complex, movements hadn't evolved yet? And if it did somehow succeed how was that ability passed onto his progeny? And how did that 'code' develop? Such questions are always waved away. See the problem?

It is called "mutation". All offspring differ slightly from their parents. Example:
A child born in a dense jungle environment and has the genetic mutation that will make it grow tall will have a severe disadvantage compared to its brethren who are short. Pygmies can move much more easily in dense jungle than tall people. The oposite is true of savannah dwelling people who are taller.
Any mutation that gives an advantage will help the life form survive long enough to procreate and pass on its genes.
This is how evolution works. Without mutation (DNA replication does not produce exact and perfect copies) there can be no evolution and should the environment change due to disease or other changes then the species is doomed to extinction.
A case in point is: Not everyone dies from a deadly disease. Some people or life forms have immunity or resistance due to a mutation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Complexity is evidence against evolution

That's funny, because the complexity of life is exactly one of the main things that evolution explains.

because the universe in too complex to have happened by accident.

Great. Evolution isn't an "accident".

It is evidence of intelligent design.

ID is unfalsifiable superstitious nonsense.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Irrelevant to God's truth.

Yes, science is irrelevant to fundamentalist religion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ignorance is bliss....?

Lot's of truth there.