Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?

[Astrophile]

How would they know that it is indeed all forms?

Scientists have developed methods of detecting and measuring electromagnetic radiation from high-energy gamma-rays (E = 100 MeV, or wavelengths of about 10^-14 metres), which are emitted by atomic nuclei, through X-rays (E = 100 eV to 100 keV, or wavelengths of 10^-11 to ^10^-8 m = 0.01-10 nanometre), ultraviolet light (10-400 nm), visible light (400-700 nm), infrared light (700 nm-1 mm) to radio waves (wavelengths of 1 mm to 100,000 km, or frequencies of 300 GHz to 3 Hz). There are no gaps in the electromagnetic spectrum, and the range of detectability covers a wavelength range of 10^22 to 1; it certainly covers all the forms of EM radiation that the Moon could emit.

 

[Tone]

Scientists have developed methods of detecting and measuring electromagnetic radiation from high-energy gamma-rays (E = 100 MeV, or wavelengths of about 10^-14 metres), which are emitted by atomic nuclei, through X-rays (E = 100 eV to 100 keV, or wavelengths of 10^-11 to ^10^-8 m = 0.01-10 nanometre), ultraviolet light (10-400 nm), visible light (400-700 nm), infrared light (700 nm-1 mm) to radio waves (wavelengths of 1 mm to 100,000 km, or frequencies of 300 GHz to 3 Hz). There are no gaps in the electromagnetic spectrum, and the range of detectability covers a wavelength range of 10^22 to 1; it certainly covers all the forms of EM radiation that the Moon could emit.

So,is the electromagnetic sphere of the moon...light?

 

[Astrophile]

There's no electromagnetic sphere around the moon?

What do you mean by an electromagnetic sphere? The Moon doesn't have a dipolar magnetic field or an extended magnetosphere, as the Earth does. There are local magnetic fields associated with magnetic anomalies in the Moon's crust, and there is a 'mini-magnetosphere' opposite to the Crisium basin - Magnetic field of the Moon - Wikipedia - but there is no 'electromagnetic sphere' surrounding the Moon.

 

[Kylie]

There's no electromagnetic sphere around the moon?

There is one, but it is not a dipole like the Earth's, indicating that the moon does not have a geodynamo.

The moon's weak magnetic field doesn't mean that it is producing power. After all, a fridge magnet doesn't produce power either, does it?

 

[Astrophile]

So,is the electromagnetic sphere of the moon...light?

We appear to be using words in different senses, and I don't understand what point you are trying to make. As Kylie and I have both explained, the Moon doesn't have any light of its own; moonlight is only reflected sunlight. The Moon emits infrared radiation because it is heated by the Sun, not because it has a heat source of its own, and there is no lunar power source that would cause it to emit other forms of electromagnetic radiation.

If you could explain what you mean by an 'electromagnetic sphere' and what the phrase 'electromagnetic radiation' means to you, I might be able to understand you better. It might also help if you could explain why this subject is important to you.

 

[trophy33]

so if i will show you such a case you will admit that evolution is false because evolution doesnt predict such a fossil?

No, no theory can be dismissed just beause of one exception somewhere. I am sure you do not dismiss inspiration of the Bible when you find something illogical in it, but you first try to explain it.

You must realize that current scientific theories are working, making predictions and making sense with other fields. Its not like "look, there is this fossil where it should not be, therefore we will discard the whole system that works in all fields of science and will have nothing instead". Its more complicated than that.

But if you have dogs with trilobites, people with dinosaurs and it cannot be explained by some land slide and similar, I am eager to see, certainly.

 

[xianghua]

In that case, similarity can't be used to distinguish between common design and common descent, so it is not evidence for either hypothesis.

correct.

What is this evidence?

a spinning motor and a gear for instance:

(image from Close-Up of the First Mechanical Gear Ever Found in Nature)

(image from Figure 1 The Bacterial Flagellum)

Is it really? Cars don't have wings (with ailerons or flaps), tailplanes or rudders.

yes, realy. car shares many parts with an airplane. of course that any one of them also has unique parts. but they also shares many parts. the same is true for living things. many species have many unique genes :Don't freak out, but scientists think octopuses 'might be aliens' after DNA study

 

[xianghua]

No, no theory can be dismissed just beause of one exception somewhere. I am sure you do not dismiss inspiration of the Bible when you find something illogical in it, but you first try to explain it.

You must realize that current scientific theories are working, making predictions and making sense with other fields. Its not like "look, there is this fossil where it should not be, therefore we will discard the whole system that works in all fields of science and will have nothing instead". Its more complicated than that.

But if you have dogs with trilobites, people with dinosaurs and it cannot be explained by some land slide and similar, I am eager to see, certainly.

so we both agree that human with a dino will not be a problem for evolution. so any fossil isnt a problem for evolution and evolution doesnt predict order in the fossil record at all. since any fossil is ok with evolution.

But if you have dogs with trilobites

even if we will find a living trilobite we will say that trilobites simply survived.

 

[Kylie]

correct.



a spinning motor and a gear for instance:

(image from Close-Up of the First Mechanical Gear Ever Found in Nature)

(image from Figure 1 The Bacterial Flagellum)




yes, realy. car shares many parts with an airplane. of course that any one of them also has unique parts. but they also shares many parts. the same is true for living things. many species have many unique genes :Don't freak out, but scientists think octopuses 'might be aliens' after DNA study

Haven't you presented this before? Weren't you proven wrong then too? Why do you keep bringing up the same old arguments that have been refuted?

(Also, if octopuses really were aliens, I'd doubt they would use DNA. Why would they have the same basic building blocks that we have?)

 

[trophy33]

so we both agree that human with a dino will not be a problem for evolution

Because evolution works and is proved. What do you even mean by "problem for evolution"? We can have some aspects of evolution wrong, why not... but generally, its established.

Its like saying "there is a hill in some country where water flows up, is it a problem for gravity"? Gravity will not go anywhere just because you can find something.

But it would be really something to think about, if you have trilobits with cows or dinosaurs with humans. But why dont we have such fossils commonly found, do you have some "ID" explanation for this?

 

[Kylie]

so we both agree that human with a dino will not be a problem for evolution.

You seem to be intentionally not getting this point.

A human found in the same rock layers as a dinosaur would be a problem for evolution, because humans require characteristics that had not evolved at the time the dinosaurs were alive.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

so we both agree that human with a dino will not be a problem for evolution.

You have been told many, many times that a human with dinosaurs would be a problem. Your trolling does not, and never will, change that fact.

Can you show us an example of such a fossil? No? Then please, stop harping on about it. It's incredibly bad form and highly disrespectful to repeatedly bring up the same discredited nonsense in every thread.

even if we will find a living trilobite we will say that trilobites simply survived.

And......?

 

[Tone]

There is one, but it is not a dipole like the Earth's, indicating that the moon does not have a geodynamo.

The moon's weak magnetic field doesn't mean that it is producing power. After all, a fridge magnet doesn't produce power either, does it?

It is a force though right?

 

[Tone]

the Moon doesn't have any light of its own

How long has this not been going on?

 

[Tone]

explain why this subject is important to you

Personally, I've always believed(since I've been told) that the Moon reflects the Sun's light. But, another poster seemed to suggest that it also has a light of its own, so I became interested.

 

[Tone]

I'd doubt they would use DNA. Why would they have the same basic building blocks that we have?

What else can you imagine?

 

[Yttrium]

Personally, I've always believed(since I've been told) that the Moon reflects the Sun's light. But, another poster seemed to suggest that it also has a light of its own, so I became interested.

From what I recall, the idea of a moon that generates its own light is an important part of the flat earth stuff. So if you're inclined to go that way, you might want to think some more on what kind of properties the magic would need to have for that.

 

[Tone]

From what I recall, the idea of a moon that generates its own light is an important part of the flat earth stuff. So if you're inclined to go that way, you might want to think some more on what kind of properties the magic would need to have for that.

Oh, so there's a flat earth connection...i've seen and heard something about that mentioned, but never looked into it. I'm new to all this kind of stuff, which is why you'll notice I am mostly asking questions.


*And when I do say something definitively, I'm usually just throwing it out there to see the response.

 

[Kylie]

It is a force though right?

A static force. It does not consume any power. It's like the magnets on your fridge.

 

[Kylie]

What else can you imagine?

Why do I need to imagine an alternative?

I mean, if octopuses were alien life forms, I would imagine that they would have something that is very different to DNA. Wouldn't you? Why do you think two life forms that developed on entirely different worlds would both be built of the same genetic material?