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Then yes.Asking what?
Post 39 seems to be a cryptic implication that creationism is devoid of evidence.
Post 55 appears to imply that creationists lack ideas.
I would disagree with the latter, even you have ideas about creationism, like your raisin bread thing, or the polluted fish pond.
Well from a true literal creationist. (And not the, believing part of the Bible creationism, of groups like answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries International, etc..)
Lets see, the Bible states the sun moves over the earth, I walk out side and see the sun moving over the earth.
The Bible states that God created Adam and Eve and in several verses it is stated that from one man God brought the human race.
I see the human race everyday living and breathing, etc...
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,
The Bible states that God created two great lights the sun and moon. I see up in the sky the two great created lights The sun and the lesser light the moon most everyday (except for cloudy weather).
God also states He created the stars too, i see stars
The Bible states the raqia (firmament, expanse, vault) shows Gods handiwork.
I see again most everyday/night the handiwork of God up in the raqia. (and not in the made up outer space)
So i test the Bibles statements by my observations and have found the Bible to be true in all of Gods creation. And areas that i can not see i take on faith (Jesus's living on earth for a short time, being resurrected, the parting of the red sea, etc )
If i was to find out that the moon is not a light.
Then i would know the Bible is a lie, and just a product of men and there is no God.
If i was to find out that the moon is not a light.
I do not know who told you what your telling me, but in Gods family, we worship out of love and faith, not truth.
If i was to find out that the moon is not a light.
Thank you for posting this.
As a follow up, have you ever examined any of these individual arguments critically?
For example, you claim that the Bible says that God created the stars and you confirm that by seeing that the stars exist. Do you believe this is a logical argument?
(you claim that the Bible says that God created the stars)
That is not actually an accurate statement.
Actually the Bible does say that God created the stars
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
I just believe the Bible testimony.
But back to your question, do i believe, that believing, that the Bible saying God created the stars is a logical argument
Well actually i am not making an argument
(because i am not, in my post trying to bring anyone to believe my view of the Bible i am just stating my view),
my view may be opposite to yours. But i am expressing my view what i have personally observe. And some of that is, I see that a sun exist, a moon exist, stars exist, etc..
and by past experience i can not name anything in existence that does not exist without being brought forth, created by someone.
Why should they examine their own creationist ideas?Per the title.
And if the answer is yes, how do creationists critically examine their own ideas?
I was speaking of objects i see, like the sun, moon, stars, cars, trees, water, lawn mowers, fishing boats, etc...Not true. You believe God exists, and nobody brought him forth.
Oh. Well, that’s not what you said, so you’ll have to forgive my confusion.I was speaking of objects i see, like the sun, moon, stars, cars, trees, water, lawn mowers, fishing boats, etc...
Because the honest thing, the action that displays integrity, the approach that moves us closer to truth is to examine, carefully, frankly, in depth, our beliefs.Why should they examine their own creationist ideas?
And yet science has explored possible explanations for the Big Bang.Science makes no attempt to explain why the Big Bang occurred, science even admits that the singularity is beyond scientific investigation.
Well, it would give them one up over the scientists! More seriously, scientists give us the details of what happened from the first tiny fraction of a second. From creationists we get only hand waving generalities.So why should a creationist answer any question on the origin of all things when science cannot either.
No we don't.We have stars that are older than the universe.
Correct. There is no real problem.Science has no real problem with these deep time stellar observations, otherwise the Big Bang would have been falsified and discarded.
How foolish. If we already had all the answers we would not still be asking questions.Science is the best of the disciplines that man employs to answer the big questions about existence. Yet science is unable to penetrate the darkness that enshrouds deep time
Oh. Well, that’s not what you said, so you’ll have to forgive my confusion.
So, things that you haven’t seen can come out of nothing, then?
The difficulty is that there is more than one way to interpret the words of Scripture. It would therefore be helpful if you could present your interpretation and your justification for that interpretation so that we might better understand your position.Look it up in the Bible, do your own research.
Look it up in the Bible, do your own research.
So now you’re saying things can exist without a creator.My position is that God who is self-existent.
has created everything i see pertaining to the earth, sun, moon stars, water, light, etc.. and things is do not see (angels).
State what you believe and in the end we can see who is correct.
The difficulty is that there is more than one way to interpret the words of Scripture. It would therefore be helpful if you could present your interpretation and your justification for that interpretation so that we might better understand your position.
Socrates stated that all men were liars and I agree with him on that point. So don't mention honesty and integrity because they are mere ideals.Because the honest thing, the action that displays integrity, the approach that moves us closer to truth is to examine, carefully, frankly, in depth, our beliefs.
The reason for existence is beyond the reach of science, far beyond the limitations of the four fundamental forces.And yet science has explored possible explanations for the Big Bang.
Science does not know how long a duration or even what the singularity was in the first place.Well, it would give them one up over the scientists! More seriously, scientists give us the details of what happened from the first tiny fraction of a second. From creationists we get only hand waving generalities.
You have no answers to the big questions, in fact, you have enormous questions to answer now. And I'm afraid that your going to need something more powerful than science or mathematics to start delving into the very ether itself.How foolish. If we already had all the answers we would not still be asking questions.
The core of the globular cluster Omega Centauri is one of the most crowded regions of old stars. While the stars here are over 12 billion years old, some stars are dated at more than 14 billion years of age, which is a problem because the Universe itself is only 13.8 billion years old.
God is spirit and is not subject to time.I’m not asking the Bible, I’m asking you.
So now you’re saying things can exist without a creator.
So not just things you see, then.
I believe in many things. The power of love, I’m falling in love, Harvey Dent...
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