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Do Creationists Believe in the Universe

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Try reading it some time and losing your pride and stubbornness and submitting yourself to the truth of Scripture and reality.
Why?

So I can be like you and not have an answer when a KJVO asks me why "heaven" is singular seven times in Genesis 1, and not plural once?

No, thanks.
 
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Why?

So I can be like you and not have an answer when a KJVO asks me why "heaven" is singular seven times in Genesis 1, and not plural once?

No, thanks.

Bub, I have answered your question twice. Are you that daft? Apparently you're not reading my responses, otherwise you'd see the answer. Furthermore, the word "heaven" is dual all 7 times in Genesis 1. NOT singular. Go ask an Israelite about the word. You'll get the same info I just gave you. If ignorance is bliss, you must be living in paradise.
 
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FYI, Scot, the word "heaven" is found 200 times between Genesis 1:1 and Psalm 103:11; while "heavens" isn't found that many times in both the Old and New Testaments put together.

Care to explain that?
 
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Go ask an Israelite about the word. You'll get the same info I just gave you.
Sorry ... but speaking in tongues isn't my thing.

I'll take good old English any day.[VERSE=1 Corinthians 14:19,KJV]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[/VERSE]
 
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LOL

Everyone's out of step but our No True Scotsman here ... right?

Bub, listen to your own stupidity. You are suggesting that the King James TRANSLATORS "corrected" what was originally INSPIRED directly from God to the ORIGINAL writers. Do you know how idiotic that sounds? Basically, you are trying to tell me that the King James TRANSLATORS had to correct God because God wasn't sovereign enough to inspire his original authors correctly.
Considering you have obviously never studied the Bible a day in your life, it is rather laughable you are trying to argue with me, since I study it on a daily and could educate you under the table. Boastful, yes, but true nonetheless.
 
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FYI, Scot, the word "heaven" is found 200 times between Genesis 1:1 and Psalm 103:11; while "heavens" isn't found that many times in both the Old and New Testaments put together.

Care to explain that?
Actually, Bub, that Hebrew word is found 395 times in the OT, and 130 times it is plural, as in Genesis 2:1. In the KJV.
 
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Sorry ... but speaking in tongues isn't my thing.

I'll take good old English any day.[VERSE=1 Corinthians 14:19,KJV]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[/VERSE]

Ain't no speaking in tongues here, moron. If you're going to respond like an idiot every time, I'll simply ignore you. You obviously aren't interested in learning, which the Bible warns against such people. You are unteachable.
 
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You are suggesting that the King James TRANSLATORS "corrected" what was originally INSPIRED directly from God to the ORIGINAL writers. Do you know how idiotic that sounds?
You just made a technical mistake, Scot.

You just referred to the autographs as the originals.

I might be idiotic, but you're wrong.

And if you're getting your junk from Wrong's Concordance, then you're getting your information from Satan's dictionary.
 
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Actually, Bub, that Hebrew word is found 395 times in the OT, and 130 times it is plural, as in Genesis 2:1. In the KJV.
Oh, they suddenly got the word right in Genesis 2:1, but then got it wrong again just four chapters later in Genesis 6:17?
 
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You just made a technical mistake, Scot.

You just referred to the autographs as the originals.

I might be idiotic, but you're wrong.

And if you're getting your junk from Wrong's Concordance, then you're getting your information from Satan's dictionary.

Sorry, Bub, but it is YOU who are wrong. The autographs ARE the originals. The copies are NOT. Bub, there are hundreds of lexicons, concordances and dictionaries other than Strong's. Try looking inside them. I've got shelves of them. And only a fool would refer to it as "Satan's" dictionary. You might as well call the KJV Satan's Bible.
 
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Ain't no speaking in tongues here, moron. If you're going to respond like an idiot every time, I'll simply ignore you. You obviously aren't interested in learning, which the Bible warns against such people. You are unteachable.
Adios, then, muchacho.

Hasta luego and all that stuff.

Come back later if you want to know more about how a KJVO of the Ruckman persuasion thinks.
 
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Oh, they suddenly got the word right in Genesis 2:1, but then got it wrong again just four chapters later in Genesis 6:17?

They rendered it wrong, yes. Do you know anything about translation? Apparently not. You CHOOSE the rendering you think best fits the context or what is being said. Doesn't make your CHOICE correct. And it DOESN'T negate what was originally written in the original language.
 
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You CHOOSE the rendering you think best fits the context or what is being said.
I did not choose to make the word "heaven" in Genesis 1:1 singular.

The King James writers did.
 
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No, suh.

They show ain't.

Yes, they are. Do yourself a favour and go look it up. Here is a quote from KJVO's: "The original autographs were inspired. The King James Bible is those same autographs preserved up to today."

An autograph is something written with one's own hand. Ergo, Bub, the ORIGINALS are AUTOGRAPHS. Look up the word "autograph" in any dictionary. Go read some works by scholars. The originals are called autographs.
 
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I know precisely how every KJVO thinks, which isn't very much at all.
Yet you're expending an inordinately large amount of time with me, a supposed moron who won't budge from his mindset.

Who's the real goofball here, Scot?
 
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Your entire conversation is based solely on the desire to argue rather than to actually learn. You bring up nonsense in an attempt to disprove the Bible, then you create logical fallacies as part of your arguments. Your foolishness is old and has been refuted a thousands times over. Where do you figure there was no concept of the universe or of galaxies when Genesis was written? When God spoke the sun, moon, and stars into existence, He spoke the entire universe into existence. If you want Him to detail everything precisely and to speak on everything, you'd have one massive book on your hand that you wouldn't be able to carry around. And assuming the people at that time had no concept of any of that is a false assessment. If you study EVERYTHING pertaining to history, you will see without fail that people in the past were FAR more intelligent than we are today. Being technologically superior DOES NOT equal "smarter." Just look at the amount of information that we've forgotten. Look at the fact that we cannot figure out how they built ANYTHING, let along buildings that are only a couple hundred centuries old. The biggest genius engineers we have today cannot figure out how they were about to do what they did. The Incas built walls that do not move in an earthquake, and are so precise they look like they were cut by lasers that you cannot fit a piece of paper between them. There is a mosque (or some temple) with two pillars inside, unjoined, not on any platform, that shift vibrations to each other. You can find all sorts of videos and documentaries talking about these amazing constructions of history, and yet NOBODY today knows how they were able to achieve it. Fact is, we are dumber today than any time throughout history. Even the dark ages. When you have a majority of idiots holding to a post-modern philosophy that says things are what I want them to be rather than what they are, I'd be surprised if society could be and dumber. Words have meanings and are NOT open to interpretation; people CAN BE right or wrong and there is NOTHING wrong with telling them they are wrong and correcting them; FACTS do not allow for personal opinions and a person's opinion MUST submit to FACT; and there ARE absolutes. Stating there are no absolutes is making an absolute statement, which negates the entire argument, thus proving absolutes.

Furthermore, something being created first does not make it centric in the least. Earth isn't the center of our solar system, it isn't the center of our galaxy, and it isn't the center of the universe. Never was, despite some people's insistence thereof during the past. The modern view of the universe is flawed. What's their current theory today? What's it going to be tomorrow? How many times has "science's" view of the universe changed over the centuries, and yet it STILL ignores the laws of our universe and simple mathematics, as well as the evidence around us, that continue to support the Bible's words?

It is fairly obvious there was no knowledge of the universe by the writer(s) of Genesis since humanity could not see past what was visible to the naked eye... unless you want to say that God told them about it but also told them to not write about it.
 
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No, suh.

They show ain't.

Miriam-Webster Dictionary
1 autograph: a: an original manuscript or work of art
2 autograph: to write with one's own hand
3 being in the writer's own handwriting: not copied or duplicated

Nuff said.
 
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