Do Conservatives like War?

[MaryS]

qiuckness to bloodshed seems to all that seperates Republicans from Democrats these days, along with thinking a President they like also has the mandate of God.

That's simply not true! There are more Republicans in the Senate now than when they voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq,,,,and yet Democrats are still able to block the voting of judges and other things they don't like.

Reminder:

Senate bill #237 (10-11-2002)
Authorization for the use of military force against Iraq.

Senate votes :http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
passed 77 to 23

*note: if every Democrat Senator had voted Nay, the vote would
have been 52 to 48 against!

Senators voted NAY:
Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Chafee (R-RI),
Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Jeffords (I-VT), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT),Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), Wyden (D-OR)

Democrat Senators voted YEA(29):
Lincoln(D-AR), Feinstein(D-CA), Dodd(D-CT), Lieberman(D-CT), Biden(D-DE),
Carper(D-DE), Nelson(D-FL), Cleland(D-GA), Harkin(D-IA), Bayh(D-IN),
Breaux(D-LA), Landrieu(D-LA), Kerry(D-MA), Carnahan(D-MO), Baucas(D-MT), Edwards(D-NC), Dorgan(D-ND), Nelson(D-NE), Torricelli(D-NJ), Reid(D-NV),
Clinton(D-NY), Schumer(D-NY), Hollings(D-SC), Daschle(D-SD), Johnson(D-SD), Cantwell(D-WA), Kohl(D-WI), Rockefeller(D-WV)


(notice that the Democrat Senators who voted YEA are hardly representative of states/regions that went solidly for Bush)

 

[DavidH]

Pretty much...That's why I'm Liberal....

 

[Mongoose]

What an odd question. What does it mean to "like" war?

 

[Roman Soldier]

So by your reasoning, GWB was sitting around and thought to himself, "Man, I need more war....I think I'll go start one for absolutely no reason. I love war! I just can't can't enough of it!". Just because you and many others don't agree with the reasons behind invading Iraq doesn't mean that there was absolutely no reason for it. You anti's make it sound like one or two people in Washington fooled a whole country into invading Iraq when a very sizeable part of the population agreed with it and Congress approved it. Yeah, yeah, I know, everyone was duped by GWB's lies.

It's hard to think that isn't true. Do you think for one second that there would be this war had Bush never made it into the White House?

 

[Roman Soldier]

What an odd question. What does it mean to "like" war?

Glamorizing life in the army and warfare itself. Desiring to use war as a solution to a preceived problem. Intense dispise for those who do not want war.

 

[DavidH]

These wars, would have never accured if Bush wasn't such a idiot, as to try to fix their problems, before ours....

 

[hoser]

No one likes war. Conservative just happen to realize that sometimes that is the only answer. Unlike lib's who think the answer is to hide your heads under a rock and pretend that problems do not exist.

 

[Higher]

Liberals are not anti-war by definition. I don't see the need, personally, to sacrifice 2000 Americans in a war that should've been finished 17 years ago.

We should be in Sudan, where there is government-assisted Genocide.
We should be in Iran, where there is a Theocracy developing Nuclear Weapons.
We should be in North Korea, where there is a dictatorship with Nuclear Weapons.

And Dare I say it, we should be in China, before they overtake us as world power. Bush can talk about Freeing Iraqis all he wants, but creating a single Democracy in the middle east accomplished nothing. We didn't go into Iraq to fight terrorists. If we want to Democracy build in the world, there are far many more places much higher than Iraq on the priority list.

Before you say "libs" hide their heads under rocks waiting for problems to go away, think about what's happening before you send your Military off to do your bidding. In the Grand Scheme of things did we accomplish anything Invading Iraq? Nope. Do we have the potential to do some real good for the world using our military? You bet. Not with an incompetant like Bush, in office, though.

This Liberal who hides his head under rocks waiting for his problems to go away is applying to 4 of the US Service Academies, AF/Army/Marine ROTC, and if all that Fails he'll just enlist. He also thinks that before you make a generalization about Liberals being anti-war pussies, you should know that Liberals faught for and created this country with their blood.

 

[MaryS]

Do you think for one second that there would be this war had Bush never made it into the White House?

YES! Both Kerry and Edwards voted in favor of using force in Iraq. Even Bill Clinton was on more than one channel explaining why Bush's mistake on the WMD was understandable.

Lieberman, the former V.P. candidate, was rapidly pro-war and a staunch supporter of Bush's foreign policies.

Kerry said during a 1997 debate on CNN's Crossfire:
"We know we can't count on the French. We know we can't count on the Russians, We know that Iraq is a danger to the United States, and we reserve the right to take pre-emptive action whenever we feel it's in our national interest."

from Feb.13,2002 NYTimes article:
Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a "final reckoning" with Iraq,
describing the country as a "virulent threat in a class by itself" and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust President Saddam Hussein.

(notice that the NYTimes article on Gore was published nearly 9 months before Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq)

 

[CHARLES H]

Why is it that no matter what war is being planned conservatives think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread? Ever since Korea there have been hawks around.

We could invade the Falkland Islands tomorrow and they would be 100% behind it.

i just think liberals are too scared to make a decision,afraid of how they will be portrayed. war is a necissary evil to protect ourselves and our national intrest.

 

[MaryS]

i just think liberals are too scared to make a decision,afraid of how they will be portrayed. war is a necissary evil to protect ourselves and our national intrest.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton received a conservative rating of zero for the year 2004 from www.acuratings.com and here's what she said:

we need to make sure that this new government in Iraq can succeed. There are lots of debates about, you know, whether we should have, how we should have, decisions that were made along the way with respect to our involvement here.
But where we stand right now, there can be no doubt that it is not in America's interests for the Iraqi government, the experiment in freedom and democracy, to fail. So I hope that Americans understand that and that we will have as united a front as is possible in our country at this time to keep our troops safe, make sure they have everything they need and try to support this new Iraqi government.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7003226/
(more at above 'Meet the Press' transcript for Feb. 20, 2005

 

[Inconel]

We should be in Sudan, where there is government-assisted Genocide.
We should be in Iran, where there is a Theocracy developing Nuclear Weapons.
We should be in North Korea, where there is a dictatorship with Nuclear Weapons.

Bush would get accused of lying or overstating the nuclear weapons programs of North Korea or Iran. I'd be angry myself if he sent troops into Africa.

 

[CHARLES H]

Bush would get accused of lying or overstating the nuclear weapons programs of North Korea or Iran. I'd be angry myself if he sent troops into Africa.

we should not allow those weapons to go into production.it would not be in our best intrest.

 

[quantumspirit]

I used to be conservative, so I will say that I strongly supported war against Saddam, and didn't pay much attention to evidence from the other side. However, invading North Korea was unconsciounable, but hearing South Koreans say that they feared Bush more than Kim Il Jong, I couldn't understand either.

Since then, my brain healed. Actually I continue to take my meds, and drink as much coffee as I need to pay attention.

Everyone knows how liberal I am now, yet I think that sometimes war is necessary, never good, but sometimes but not always necessary. I am a supporter of Clinton's operations in Kosovo. It was quick, did what we needed to do, and quickly got the heck out, and busted Milosevec too. I don't know too much about Clinton's other wars, like Somalia.