I'm disappointed. You quoted my entire post, and yet you didn't respond directly to anything I had written. I'll requote myself for context.
Me said:
It is enough to have some idea of a good (or ultimate ethical purpose) that one is trying to accomplish. If someone rejects the idea of objective rules, they may still come to accept the idea of useful means, which are human constructed rules designed to achieve that good. Those rules might not be "objective" in the sense of being chiselled in stone for all time, but are useful in some modern context for achieving good results.
Jane's language metaphor is apt. If you didn't understand what I had written, I recommend pondering that post too.
I don't see why you would think that human created moral rules would not have meaning if they are created to achieve some worthwhile good. That good is what drives meaning, not the rules.
I don't get any meaning from simply obeying rules, but rather for what I accomplish with my actions. I gain no meaning from refusing to murder, rape, or pillage, nor do I find any meaning in simply following that dictum to "Be Excellent To Each Other", as the great philosophers Bill and Ted had declared to humanity (and they would get a good chuckle at this being called a "dictum").
When I am kind to someone else, for instance, my reward is seeing a smile on that other's face, and knowing that I helped make that person's journey through life a little easier. Knowing that I had obeyed some "be kind" rule does not provide me with meaning. It is the good achieved that does.
Perhaps you could respond directly to what I just wrote.
Your destiny? Where are you headed?
I'm not heading towards my destiny so much as I am inside of it. My destiny is not after death, but within life. My good is to flourish -- to thrive and grow, to find happiness and fulfillment -- as an irreplaceable and unique human being. That's your destiny too.
Your meaning? If morality is meaningless then why do we talk of good and evil?
I never wrote that morality was meaningless. I said that it is not "objective" in the sense of being etched in stone for all time. Morality acquires its meaning from the worthiness of the purpose for which it is created and to which it is put.
What is pain, emotional pain?
Painful. What more needs to be said?
I suppose I could add that too much pain can impede personal flourishing, and this makes it an evil.
I want to make this clear "EVIL" is always raised and asked by a person about a person?
Is it? No, natural disasters are often regarded as evils, for instance.
I am trying to get people to ask themselves, what is their destiny and what does their life mean?
I'm way ahead of you. I've been asking myself such questions for the past two decades.
I have answered your question above. In case you missed it, my destiny is to fulfill my life -- to flourish.
In the end is it your job that defines you?
Only in part, and not in essence.
What is it that is important to you at the end of life and did you invest your life or use up your God given ability!
I'm not sure what the phrase "invest your life" means, and I don't believe that we have God-given abilities.
Using my natural abilities well and for good purposes is certainly one essential criterion for a good life. On my deathbed, I would ask myself how well I had done this.
See here is some examples: I have invested my man hood into my wife
You have
what?
and the gift of strength to enhance the kingdom of heaven! (ever lasting life)
Is English your first language? If so, speak English, please.
Furthermore I don't just do something when it is only self beneficial.
Why not? This seems like a good reason to do something, as long as one is not mistreating others.
I work to live, but for the good of the people a broad and above!
It is right to work to live. There is no shame in this.
I take it that you are saying that you are a humanitarian. I do think that one can find good values in the world, and it is a noble enough purpose to nourish and promote those values. I don't think that one should "lose" oneself in the process, however. We shouldn't regard our lives as mere tools. There is nothing wrong with pursuing one's own good.
Life is worthless if not measured, but measured to what end.
To personal flourishing.
In other words one's valued worth in destiny is ultimately vain with no new start.
No, it has the value that it has. It doesn't need to "restart".
To every end there is a new start, but here again how do we make meaning stick to that end that has no new start?
The first start was sufficient.
I couldn't get through the day to day problems with out knowing there is a new start to one's end!
I am sorry to hear that, but fortunately I don't have that problem.
Not knowing there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
That light should be in one's life, right here and now. It is for one to put it there.
Why would we look to mathematical equations if there is no value in it, therefore ;why would we look to the meaning to life if it has no meaning to it, worth or value in it?? Why play out zero when it equals zero?
A finite life has meaning. Just because its meaning isn't infinite, that doesn't indicate that its meaning is zero. Its meaning is a finite non-zero number, if such a number could be placed on it.
eudaimonia,
Mark
