Do archeologists know where this is?

[Biblewriter]

I have searched long and unsuccessfully for the location described in this verse. It seems to me unthinkable that our God would have said this and left us no way of knowing where it is, but I have found nothing. Ezekiel 39:11And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

 

[dimwhitt]

the site of Gog is very uncertain
however based on the descriptions of the place in Ezekiel 38-39 they know a few things in general terms
its "north" which means sort of NW & W of Israel on a modern map and is used in connection with Japheth - the son of Noah and Father of the north and north eastern peoples of Europe and the Caucasus plains around the Black and Caspian Seas

 

[archaeologist]

here is what revelaions says:

Revelation 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

you can check authors who write on revelations for a location. i haven't heard of any archaeologists talking about it recently as it is not a topic of concern right now.

 

[ContentInHim]

I have searched long and unsuccessfully for the location described in this verse. It seems to me unthinkable that our God would have said this and left us no way of knowing where it is, but I have found nothing. Ezekiel 39:11And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

I think that "east of the sea" indicates east of the Sea of Galilee or the Dead Sea. It's been my understanding that the burial grounds would be in modern Jordan, but I have no memory of how I came about this.

 

[Biblewriter]

here is what revelaions says:

Revelation 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

you can check authors who write on revelations for a location. i haven't heard of any archaeologists talking about it recently as it is not a topic of concern right now.

Unfortunately, I am a writer on Bible prophecy. I have studied everything I can find on this subject and have found nothing.

 

[Tazorac]

the bible dosent have any archology, none what so ever

 

[ContentInHim]

the bible dosent have any archology, none what so ever

Well, not quite. The Bible spoke of many peoples, like the Hittites, which were thought to be mythical. Until archeologists found proof that they had existed!

 

[Uphill Battle]

the bible dosent have any archology, none what so ever

the bible WON'T have archeology. That's like saying that the ancient roman empire didn't have archeology. We have archeology TODAY to study the past, and have archeological artifacts, some that have confirmed biblical assertions (such as the hittites mentioned above) and not ONE that is contrary to what is in the bible.

 

[trumpeter]

Ezekiel 39:11And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

The "valley of Hamon Gog is "east of the (Dead) sea" or present day Jordan. Historically southern Jordan was known as Edom; it will be the burial site of Gog after the Second Coming when it will become desolate Ezekiel 35:9

 

[Epiphoskei]

If the battle of Armageddon happened in Galilee, wouldn't beyond the sea of Galilee be more likely for "beyond the sea"?

 

[trumpeter]

Gog's burial site.
I'm sticking with east of the Dead Sea for three reasons:

Armageddon will be fought the entire length of Israel, not just localized near the mountain of Megiddo (Rev. 6:16; about 180 miles north to south). Jer. 12:12

Israel's land will be divided amoung the 12 tribes during the Millennium, Ephraim's section will be from the Mediterranean Sea to East of the Sea of Galilee. The area will be populated, a huge burial site would not be likely.

Edom will become desolate and uninhabited, it will not be restored like the other nations.

 

[Epiphoskei]

Hmm... I could buy that. Sounds fairly reasonable.

 

[Biblewriter]

The problem with the interpretation of this passage as "east of the Dead Sea" is that Gog will fall upon "the mountains of Israel." (Ezekiel 38:4)

There is no place east of the Dead Sea that is within the borders of Israel, either in ancient times or present. Nor is it within the millennial borders of Israel as described in Ezekiel 47:15-20.

East of the sea of Galilee is a possibility, for that is within Bashan.

 

[trumpeter]

There is no place east of the Dead Sea that is within the borders of Israel, either in ancient times or present. Nor is it within the millennial borders of Israel as described in Ezekiel 47:15-20.

You got that right, the place has to be within Israeli borders.

What about the Valley of Hinnom where Topheth is located, the name of this valley will be changed to "Valley of Slaughter" in the Day of Vengeance (Jer. 7:31-33; 19:5f). Valley of Hinnom is a deep narrow valley immediately S and W of Jerusalem, marking the boundary between Judah and Benjamin (Josh. 15:8; 18:16).

 

[Epiphoskei]

The problem with the interpretation of this passage as "east of the Dead Sea" is that Gog will fall upon "the mountains of Israel." (Ezekiel 38:4)

There is no place east of the Dead Sea that is within the borders of Israel, either in ancient times or present. Nor is it within the millennial borders of Israel as described in Ezekiel 47:15-20.

East of the sea of Galilee is a possibility, for that is within Bashan.

Though I'm not necesarraly convinced by Trumpeter's positioning of it, everyone to my knowledge places Armageddon west of the Jordan, so they'd have to be moving the bodies anyhow. This makes particular sense, since they wouldn't want to pollute Israel's sacred land by buring bodies there. I think trumpeter's whole point was that edom wasn't in israel, so they could put a mass grave there.

 

[PFJ]

The ark is by no means a new story, it is simply a rehash of several other stories that preceeded it, most notably the epic of gilgamesh. Modern "theological historians", as they like to call themselves, are claiming that the ark is real and yet any individual who is disciplined in the study of history will recognise that claim as false. There is no evidence to back up that claim, and they are not qualifying their ideas either, meaning any claims they make must be disregarded because they are an absolute bias without substantial proof. The ark will never be found because it simply never existed. IF proof can be found and a consensus of NON-theistic Historians (As they would be the least bias and the most ready to accept historical revelations) agreed that it was proof of the ark, then I would change my tune. It will never happend though, common sense says no.

 

[Epiphoskei]

The ark is by no means a new story, it is simply a rehash of several other stories that preceeded it, most notably the epic of gilgamesh. Modern "theological historians", as they like to call themselves, are claiming that the ark is real and yet any individual who is disciplined in the study of history will recognise that claim as false. There is no evidence to back up that claim, and they are not qualifying their ideas either, meaning any claims they make must be disregarded because they are an absolute bias without substantial proof. The ark will never be found because it simply never existed. IF proof can be found and a consensus of NON-theistic Historians (As they would be the least bias and the most ready to accept historical revelations) agreed that it was proof of the ark, then I would change my tune. It will never happend though, common sense says no.

The ark is rather irrelevant to the OP here... but basing the ark story on Gilgamesh is 19th century nonsense that should have been buried long ago. In every other field of history, we no longer adhere to much of anything from the 19th century. Why, I wonder, do theories that just happen to besmirch the bible get off without a second doubt...

 

[hisworkmanship]

I think I read somewhere that it might be either Russia or China or both.

 

[Epiphoskei]

Gog is typically interpreted as Russia. That's of course speculation, as we have precious, precious little information about the area beyond turkey to the north or Iran to the northeast during bible times. The question here is where the valley of hamongog is, though, and the Bible indicates that's near israel somewhere...

 

[LLWHA]

The problem with the interpretation of this passage as "east of the Dead Sea" is that Gog will fall upon "the mountains of Israel." (Ezekiel 38:4)

There is no place east of the Dead Sea that is within the borders of Israel, either in ancient times or present. Nor is it within the millennial borders of Israel as described in Ezekiel 47:15-20.

East of the sea of Galilee is a possibility, for that is within Bashan.

The problem with your theory is that Israel has no real borders as everywhere we plant are feet is ours. Canada is Israel the U.S.A. is Israel look on the back of a dollar bill there you will find an eagle holding a olive branch that means Israel, Ireland, England most if not of northern Europe are Israel, New Zealand, Australia and on and on are Israel.

Deut.11:24 Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be.
6:23 And He brought us out from there, that He might bring us in, to give us the land which He sware unto our fathers.

uttermost

1. [n] the greatest possible degree; "he tried his utmost"
2. [adj] (comparatives of `far') most remote in space or time or order; "had traveled to the farthest frontier"; "don't go beyond the farthermost (or furthermost) tree"; "explored the furthest reaches of space"; "the utmost tip of the peninsula"

Definition:

1. \Ut"ter*most\, a. [From {Utter}, a.; cf. {Utmost}, and{Outermost}.]Extreme; utmost; being; in the farthest, greatest, or highestdegree; as, the uttermost extent or end. ``In this uttermostdistress.'' --Milton.
2. \Ut"ter*most`\, n.The utmost; the highest or greatest degree; the farthestextent. --Tennyson. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him. --Heb. vii. 25. He cannot have sufficient honor done unto him; but the uttermost we can do, we must. --Hooker.