Do Americans exist anymore?

[MorkandMindy]

All I hear about anymore is Blues that want to defeat Reds and Reds that want to defeat Blues.

And each has an ultimate goal is to 'flip' a state.

In the 2016 they threw mud at each other and there was plenty of mud to throw.

But overall, how did they manage to split our country into two almost mutually exclusive tribes?

 

[Belk]

All I hear about anymore is Blues that want to defeat Reds and Reds that want to defeat Blues.

And each has an ultimate goal is to 'flip' a state.

In the 2016 they threw mud at each other and there was plenty of mud to throw.

But overall, how did they manage to split our country into two almost mutually exclusive tribes?

I think you mean "We". Or are you not American?

 

[-57]

All I hear about anymore is Blues that want to defeat Reds and Reds that want to defeat Blues.

And each has an ultimate goal is to 'flip' a state.

In the 2016 they threw mud at each other and there was plenty of mud to throw.

But overall, how did they manage to split our country into two almost mutually exclusive tribes?

It was orchestrated by the globalist...

 

[Broken Fence]

Able
Miracle
Eternity
Righteous
Innocent
Can
Angel
Nature

 

[jgarden]

All I hear about anymore is Blues that want to defeat Reds and Reds that want to defeat Blues.

And each has an ultimate goal is to 'flip' a state.

In the 2016 they threw mud at each other and there was plenty of mud to throw.

But overall, how did they manage to split our country into two almost mutually exclusive tribes?

Given that America's demographics has concluded that "visible minorities" (Black, Latino, Asian) will constitute the majority by 2050, the "Reds" have long since given up trying to win the national popular vote and are forced to focus exclusively on their Electoral College strategy as their path to victory!

With Democrats currently becoming competitive in traditional conservative strongholds like Texas and Georgia, the writing is on the wall that the political center is already making significant shifts to the left!

 

[MorkandMindy]

It was orchestrated by the globalist...

Yes, the very rich control the US using the same strategy as the British used to control India.

In 1881 the population of India was counted as 253,896,330 and the country was controlled successfully by 66,000 British soldiers, 130,000 natives and 350,000 other soldiers if I understand correctly.

Even counting all of those as occupying forces they numbered just over 1/500 th of the population of India.

Which sounds like 1/5%, about the number of rich people controlling the US.

How can anyone control so many with so few? Divide and conquer.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Social media seems to serve to inflame people against one another and cause many more to align with a “side” than might otherwise.

At least that’s what I observe happening.

Lack of unbiased reporting in the public media isn’t helping either.

Between the two, they are doing a lot of damage via a political avenue.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Wait... what’s happening? My hands are disap.....

 

[MorkandMindy]

Social media seems to serve to inflame people against one another and cause many more to align with a “side” than might otherwise.

At least that’s what I observe happening.

Lack of unbiased reporting in the public media isn’t helping either.

Between the two, they are doing a lot of damage via a political avenue.

Yes, I've heard that referred to as the Echo Chamber effect. A Blue watches a Blue - leaning (well, fallen right over) channel and a Red watches a Red channel and both become even more polarized.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Given that America's demographics has concluded that "visible minorities" (Black, Latino, Asian) will constitute the majority by 2050, the "Reds" have long since given up trying to win the national popular vote and are forced to focus exclusively on their Electoral College strategy as their path to victory!

All presidential campaigns are focused exclusively on the Electoral College - that's what win elections. National popular vote is merely a statistic.

 

[MorkandMindy]

All presidential campaigns are focused exclusively on the Electoral College - that's what win elections. National popular vote is merely a statistic.

You get a wide choice of capable candidates... a red one 45 years out of date and a blue one even more out of date, and nearly dead.

 

[Mantishand]

Yeah its pathetic. We are a totally divided nation which means we will probably fall. People just absolutely hate each other. Just read the comment section of any news story. It's just hate and name calling. What happened to America? Well I'm still an American. I have no confidence in our politicians at all. I might as well vote for Kanye.

 

[jgarden]

All presidential campaigns are focused exclusively on the Electoral College - that's what win elections. National popular vote is merely a statistic.

No matter how one chooses to frame it, the phenomena of Presidents elected in the Electoral College while placing 2nd in the popular vote erodes the American public's confidence in the electoral system and raises doubts as to the legitimacy of its Commander-in-Chief!

While the Electoral College currently favors the Republicans, the wisdom of retaining any institution which can ignore the collective decisions made by the majority of Americans makes a mockery of the electoral system - the Presidency should be based on the popular vote!

 

[Radagast]

No matter how one chooses to frame it, the phenomena of Presidents elected in the Electoral College but losing the popular vote erodes the American public's confidence in the system and the legitimacy of the Commander-in-Chief!

Well, no. The Electoral College system is what the Constitution specifies.

 

[Radagast]

People just absolutely hate each other.

And that is sad to see.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Yeah its pathetic. We are a totally divided nation which means we will probably fall. People just absolutely hate each other. Just read the comment section of any news story. It's just hate and name calling. What happened to America? Well I'm still an American. I have no confidence in our politicians at all. I might as well vote for Kanye.

Dump the media. It obscures the truth with a mass of irrelevant details.

I mentioned to a Hillbot that Hillary always voted for war at every opportunity. The Hillbot denied it of course, I mentioned the vote to invade Iraq and she said 'everyone agreed back then that was the right thing to do'.

I stated that I hadn't and my reason was that we had promised to bring Afghanistan into the 21st century and make it like South Korea, but then we just had to drop a few bombs first, and that went on over year and we still had done nothing about our promise.

If we couldn't do it in Afghanistan with the fairly technological country of Pakistan interested in helping them, we certainly had no intention of doing it in Iraq.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Well, no. The Electoral College system is what the Constitution specifies.

The Constitution also specified whoever took second in the Electoral College was to become vice-president but we saw fit to change that. The Constitution isn’t written in stone and passed down from on high.

 

[MorkandMindy]

It's 1984 in action except that instead of pulping the history books and replacing them every few months, people throw away the newspapers and buy new ones everyday and forget what they said in the past.

Paying for a newspaper makes people think they are benefiting from them in some way, when actually they are just overwriting their memories with new lies and are doing them no good at all. And they sap people's hopes and initiative.

 

[Radagast]

The Constitution isn’t written in stone

It is in the sense that there is a formal process for changing it.

Amendments must be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Something that favours small states, like the Electoral College, is therefore unlikely to ever be eliminated.

 

[mark46]

The Constitution also specified whoever took second in the Electoral College was to become vice-president but we saw fit to change that. The Constitution isn’t written in stone and passed down from on high.

OK, work for a Constituitional amendment if you wish. Until then, candidates will try to win a majority of the votes in the electoral college. Should he or she succeed, he or she will win. It is almost that simple.

BTW, each state COULD chose to have their elector vote for the candidate who won the popular vote, no matter who won their state. If states who have a majority of the electoral votes choose this route, then our president would go to the candidate with the highest popular vote.
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BOTTOM LINE
There are two.

First, we can choose to change the compromise that we have had over the century, giving smaller states more power than their population would give them. This is the case in the Senate and in the Electoral College. Alternative, we can work to effect change.

For me, Democrats are wasting a lot of energy on trying to change the Constitution. They would be much better off working at the local and state level to become more popular. There are Democratic governors of rural states, and lots of other states that are Republican in presidential elections. There is no reason why a Democrat can't win in NC, GA or TX. However, such a victory takes a lots of work, and not just every four years.