Do All Baptists Believe In Once Save Always Saved

[corinth77777]

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

 

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... Was Paul ever Baptized..?

Not going to argue with you. If you do not believe scripture, that is between you and God.

Acts 9
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
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Then the thief on the cross u r saying was baptized...

Anyone who looked Jesus Christ in the eyes while He promised, "Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise," is likely someone for whom provision would be made.

I Corinthians 15
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
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If you are put in prison for walking before a Church, repenting, confessing and publicly stating your belief in Jesus Christ, and quickly taken away to be burned or beheaded, someone will likely do this for you!
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[corinth77777]

Not going to argue with you. If you do not believe scripture, that is between you and God.

Acts 9
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
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Thank you..but I amended...my first response and there is so much you have not answered...ok paul was Baptized but how?...Instead of arguing, reason..present your point but do not fogrt to present or listen to points that are against..your statement

 

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... Are u suggesting that all scripture aftrr the preached word..ssy it just like Peter?

Cannot decipher what you intend to say here. In a different thread, more on the specific subject of Baptism, a member posted the following:

I, too, attend a Southern Baptist Church and went through the same questioning of Baptist doctrine concerning baptism...

One thing I've noticed about the Baptist plan of salvation is that each step is backed-up by Scripture until you get to the end where it says to pray this prayer if you believe. Of all the copies of the Baptist plan of salvation I've seen in print, none of them have any scripture to support this prayer and none of them ever mention baptism except as a sort of add-on after you're already saved. I don't believe that's what the Bible teaches about baptism.

YES, there are countless Churches out there on the fruited plain that will say you need to pray a prayer to be saved, but will not stand with the scripture that clearly states you need to be Baptized.

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"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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[corinth77777]

Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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Yes, but as you also assume..that Paul's Baptism..was of water..where there isn't any mentioning of water....You are also assuming that confessing Christ before man is always at water Baptism. NOW..does the text state Paul was Baptized with water? AND DOES THE text state denying him or confessing him is always at baptism. OR ARE THERE NOt other places where people deny him and confess his name? AND if so why not present these statements as well.
And I bet anyone who is rehearsed in The Greek..could make a claim for Paul's Spiritual baptism. GOD KNOWS THE HEART..IF THAT IS THEIR THINKING..God will judge

 

[corinth77777]

Cannot decipher what you intend to say here. In a different thread, more on the specific subject of Baptism, a member posted the following:


YES, there are countless Churches out there on the fruited plain that will say you need to pray a prayer to be saved, but will not stand with the scripture that clearly states you need to be Baptized.

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I believe most Christians believe you need to
Be baptized....1 peter 3:21..yet many people know
There is one Baptism...we are washed by the word
It is the his word that is spirit and life. And It is in the
word that gives us a clear conscious before God..What
Ever the prayer said..which I myself have never read
If it speaks about believing on Christ.....then..why not
find the good. DO YOU not do more harm by trying to
Tear down..everything that is not exactly said in the Bible
The same way ? IF SO THEN LOOK at all the things that are in
The Bible and dont exclude any againt your standing..For do you not
Do the same by ommitting? IF AT any case the people
Love one another..has not the goal of that preaching
Been reached?...so why do we labor on elementry teaching
Rather than move forward towards the goal...Point that really needs
To be seen is that adding water Baptism..to spiritual for salvation is no different than mixing works with grace...a lot of people find themselves in bondage through
This teaching.

 

[corinth77777]

Anyone who looked Jesus Christ in the eyes while He promised, "Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise," is likely someone for whom provision would be made.

I Corinthians 15
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
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If you are put in prison for walking before a Church, repenting, confessing and publicly stating your belief in Jesus Christ, and quickly taken away to be burned or beheaded, someone will likely do this for you!
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As for the" Baptised for the dead" comment.....what does it mean? You are attaching meaning and scripture...for a statement that doesnt even address it that way. First..its talking about the....false teaching that there is no resurrection...and if this is not true why are they baptized for the dead....Well to understand this we need other references...Because for one thing we know Paul became all thing to people to win them for Christ.....where ever they were at..or level or culture they seen things through...and we do know their culture was paganism.

 

[corinth77777]

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

I posted this to open the minds..

For if water baptism is seen..is it
The baptisms that saves?

There is One Baptism that saves us now
The resurrected Jesus is our answer to a
clear conscious toward God

And we accept this gospel by belief..
Belief is not seen...but it can be
manifested by our actions.

Is that to say one should not manifest this belief through
Water baptism? IF THEY BELIEVE THROUGH THEIR STUDIES
WHY WOULDNT THEY...AND VISA VERSA..God knows the heart

 

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...ok paul was Baptized but how?...

The word, Baptize, or Baptized, is transliterated: meaning that there was not a specific English word that properly applied to the use of that Greek word in the New Testament, so they transformed what they read into an English version of the same thing (baptivzw became Baptizo, which became Baptize.) Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon defines a number of forms of that word. The ones that refer to the rite of Baptism are defined as Dipping, Submersion and Immersion.

Acts 9
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
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This is what Acts 9:18 looks like in Greek. That BOLD word is the one in question.

καὶ εὐθέως ἀπέπεσαν αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν ὡς λεπίδες, ἀνέβλεψέν τε, καὶ ἀναστὰς ἐβαπτίσθη,
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Strong's Number: 907
Original Word: baptivzw
Transliterated Word: Baptizo

Definition

1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3. to overwhelm

Bibliography Information
Thayer and Smith
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Strong's Concordance.

baptizó: to dip, sink.

Original Word: βαπτίζω.

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: baptizó.

Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)


... to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.

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This is like a sunken a ship. This is like being submerged in your bathtub. This is like having an ocean wave crash over you.

The debate rages because of the intent of other religions, and NOT because of confusion about the meaning of the word. That has been understood for centuries!

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[Avid]

...ok paul was Baptized but how?...

Let's say you submit to the "Ice Bucket Challenge" that seems to be a popular thing these days (if you are that type of person.) One thousand five hundred years from now, someone is reading a book about you, and discovers that fact. They ask if that means you sat on a bucket that had ice water in it, or you sat beside a bucket that had ice water in it, or you THOUGHT about ice water being in a bucket, or you bought a bucket of ice water, or you had a bucket of ice water poured over you.

Now the person truly interested in this matter will seek to understand the meaning of that term in our day. He will read articles or see other uses that describe the WHAT and WHY of it. Then he decides that it is really unmistakeable that the last version of that use was exactly what happened. You would not be credited with that if you did not have a bucket of ice water poured over you, so this must particularly mean that YOU DID.

Now, enter the religion of the world, and ice is costly, and water is at a premium. Who in their right mind would waste the money to buy ice water, and then pour it on the ground? Who that cared about this Earth would waste 5 gallons of ice water when it would serve no purpose for hydrating or anything, but causing undue hypothermia! See how the definition has just become that you sat on a bucket of ice water, or thought about ice water being in a bucket?

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[corinth77777]

The word, Baptize, or Baptized, is transliterated: meaning that there was not a specific English word that properly applied to the use of that Greek word in the New Testament, so they transformed what they read into an English version of the same thing (baptivzw became Baptizo, which became Baptize.) Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon defines a number of forms of that word. The ones that refer to the rite of Baptism are defined as Dipping, Submersion and Immersion.

Acts 9
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
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This is what Acts 9:18 looks like in Greek. That BOLD word is the one in question.

καὶ εὐθέως ἀπέπεσαν αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν ὡς λεπίδες, ἀνέβλεψέν τε, καὶ ἀναστὰς ἐβαπτίσθη,
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Strong's Number: 907
Original Word: baptivzw
Transliterated Word: Baptizo

Definition

1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3. to overwhelm

Bibliography Information
Thayer and Smith
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Strong's Concordance.

baptizó: to dip, sink.

Original Word: βαπτίζω.

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: baptizó.

Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)


... to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.

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This is like a sunken a ship. This is like being submerged in your bathtub. This is like having an ocean wave crash over you.

The debate rages because of the intent of other religions, and NOT because of confusion about the meaning of the word. That has been understood for centuries!

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I dont..know if a spiritual Baptism...which is unseen, and into Christ is another religion...Point is another person can make his case for a spiritual Baptism... and if thatis his belief..God judges his heart and he is able to make him stand...Let every man be convinced in his own heart.

 

[SoulBap6]

I always thought that this was a Calvinist belief but a few days ago I found out that it's also a Baptist belief.

The question is do all Baptist adhere to OSAS?

Not all but I do.

Matthew 9:13 Jesus tells us he calls sinners to repentance
John 14:6 Jesus again tells us he is the only way to be saved
Ephesians 2:8 Tells us that Salvation is a Gift of God Grace thru Faith
Romans 10:9 Tell us to confess and believe that Jesus Christ is the risen
Saviour we will be saved.
Finally we our sealed till the day of redemption. When Jesus Christ returns, Jesus Christ was Hung on a Cross one time, If you our truly saved one time is all it takes. Its his righteousness is what saves us. I am a Sinner saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ. Does it give me the right to go out and sin no, but to serve Jesus in what ever way I can, with the gift that he has given me to serve him. Will I stumble and will I fall yes, 1John 2:1 I have a heavenly father that loves me that is willing to forgive. Only one that was perfect Jesus Christ the rest of us our not perfect that's why daily we need to walk with the lord.

 

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I dont..know if a spiritual Baptism...which is unseen, and into Christ is another religion...Point is another person can make his case for a spiritual Baptism... and if thatis his belief..God judges his heart and he is able to make him stand...Let every man be convinced in his own heart.

You are not getting the point.

1. Water Baptism does not save, but is part of the requirements stated in scripture for our salvation.
2. Spiritual Baptism is not a different religion, but is part of the same requirement of believing and being baptized.

You seem to want to separate them as one being required and the other NOT being required. That may be a different religion - I'm not sure. I never said that spiritual baptism is not part of this.

This is what I meant about NOT ARGUING with you. You have the Bible, and it is your own responsibility before God to read, understand and believe what it says.
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Certain scriptures stating Baptism as being required were shown already. Other scriptures were given that show this term specifically references an immersion in water. It is plain that the Baptism of Repentance and Baptism performed after Pentecost were water Baptism, according to the following scriptures.

John 1
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

John 1
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

John 1
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

John 3
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Acts 8
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
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It is clearly required, it is clearly immersion, and it is clearly a water Baptism that these scriptures are referring to. I trust the LORD is able to show us in our hearts His requirements, and none of us refuse to obey in such a simple act.

It seems odd to have someone who claims to be Baptized in the Holy Ghost that seems to be hostile to submitting to water Baptism, or worse, would try to teach others not to submit to this ordinance of the LORD. The above passages show the LORD ordaining this as being proper, it being done a specific way as proper, and His own submission in this shows how He truly expects those who follow Him to be Baptized in like manner.
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