Django Unchained: What Wouldv'e Happened if we Had the Confederate States of America?

[Gxg (G²)]

What makes you think, in the CSA of the movie, that Wilson would have been elected president or even been a figure of importance at all for that matter? The thing about alt-history is you can't just layer actual persons and events on top of the alternative without providing a twist.

One of the more interesting examples is a mystery novel set in Nazi Germany... in 1964.
Fatherland (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting question you raised - and on the novel you noted known as Fatherland, it is very noteworthy to see what was said. They actually made a movie out of the book...as seen here. I thought what it noted on how the evils of eugenics were covered up by the nations who won and Germany didn't want the general populace to know about what happened with the Concentration camps (quickly dismantled to prevent any study of history) - just like it was in U.S history when either outright denying that systematic/massive eradication of Native Americans and Blacks occurred in it's history (often making it out as if it wasn't as bad as others make it out to be and making it seem like other ethnic groups are just being sensationalist) - or trying to quickly mention it and hope the people of the nation don't think too heavily on it ...as if it's merely a quick footnote while all other events that occurred are worth more examination for the principles they promote.

 

[Rion]

I know it's not going to surprise you one bit when I tell you it was meant to be a farce.

Yes, but it was a crappy one. It had all the subtlety of a paraplegic ninja.

That makes you think, in the CSA of the movie, that Wilson would have been elected president or even been a figure of importance at all for that matter? The thing about alt-history is you can't just layer actual persons and events on top of the alternative without providing a twist.

One of the more interesting examples is a mystery novel set in Nazi Germany... in 1964.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_(novel)

Not necessarily Wilson-- although, being the bigot he was, I could see him being elected-- but the mentality of eugenics.

 

[praying]

Prayerfully, I'm not the only person here who has seen the film Django Unchained - but if that's the case, so be it

I saw it; great movie!

Your post tl;dr

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I saw it; great movie!

Sweet ! What did you enjoy on it?

Your post tl;dr

Not certain as to what you mean here by tldr. Regardless, there were already several others noting on what the OP was about: Do you feel that the confederacy sould have remained, what do you think on the film "Django" as it concerns the historical/political ramifications of slavery and what would've happened if it remained.

 

[Rion]

Sweet ! What did you enjoy on it?

Not certain as to what you mean here by tldr

It means too long; didn't read.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

It means too long; didn't read.

There were several - a couple short and a couple others already commented on (in addition to what the OP noted - be it Django or the CSA film or why slavery either was a good thing or something to be abolished - #32 /#3). Thus, which one is what was in focus.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Watching the Presidential Inauguration today, I definately was glad we didn't end up with a Confederate States of America since I doubt you'd be able to have any minority/ethnic groups in serious leadership - good or bad.

 

[Rion]

There were several - a couple short and a couple others already commented on (in addition to what the OP noted - be it Django or the CSA film or why slavery either was a good thing or something to be abolished - #32 /#3). Thus, which one is what was in focus.

I dunno. I was just telling you what it meant.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I dunno. I was just telling you what it meant.

That was well understood

 

[Gxg (G²)]

If the South had won the War of Northern Aggression, Alabama would still exist. How could that be a positive?

It's interesting to consider that had the Confederacy won, you'd probably would've had it still be the case where blacks would be in siginficant leadership in the South.

• Daily Kos: The Confederacy Would've Elected a Black President By

For a brief excerpt:

It was 2006—17 years after Virginia elected a black Governor—before an African American was elected Governor of a Northern State. So one wonders about an alternate universe—a universe where the South won the Civil War, and where the confederacy exists to this day. Within 20 years after gaining its independence, the South would’ve been forced to examine the ugly reason (slavery) for its founding. After World War I and World War II, where black soldiers would’ve served under the Southern flag and honorably represented their country, the South still would’ve been forced to examine the deep racism within its society.
And after that examination took place, integration still would’ve occurred. Sure George Wallace may have been President of the Confederacy in an alternate universe, but Wallace may also have been replaced by President Martin Luther King, Jr. in that universe. Had the South won the Civil War, as ironic as this may sound, I believe it would’ve elected an African American President well before 2008...
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[praying]

Sweet ! What did you enjoy on it?

Not certain as to what you mean here by tldr.

tl;dr - too long didn't read

Regardless, there were already several others noting on what the OP was about: Do you feel that the confederacy sould have remained,

No.

what do you think on the film "Django" as it concerns the historical/political ramifications of slavery and what would've happened if it remained.

Like I said I thought the film was great, it was highly entertaining. The use of the word [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] was not over done and the violence was on point with the story.

 

[Phantasman]

Interesting. I have never posted here before (or even been in this area). So I will give this a shot.

From what history tells me, the CSA could not have even run the entire country effectively. But had they been able to acquire the ability to overcome the North, and controlled the government the way the CSA wanted, a few things would have changed.

Freedom would have had a different meaning, as the Gettysburg address would have never happened. This would have thrown us into a system of government more like an Empire rather than a Republic. Considering that WW1 came less than a generation later, we may have opted no to join, respecting the right of others to conquer rather than to promote pure freedom for all. As a nation, we would have bested ourselves, by following the same path as those before us.

Slavery would probably not only been confined to Africans. As we made headway West, what would stop the CSA from including Indians in the same group? They were considered less than human as well, at that time. It would have been a matter of time, before a second civil war would have broken out. This due to lack of commerce between England (who hated slavery) and the US as well as freedom fighting groups that would crop up to end the CSA through revolts.

Watching how our country has progressed, I cannot see how the CSA could have made it this far, even if a revolt hadn't happened. As we became more civilized, our compassion would have freed them anyway.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Interesting. I have never posted here before (or even been in this area). .

Nice to meet ya

So I will give this a shot.

From what history tells me, the CSA could not have even run the entire country effectively. But had they been able to acquire the ability to overcome the North, and controlled the government the way the CSA wanted, a few things would have changed.


Freedom would have had a different meaning, as the Gettysburg address would have never happened. This would have thrown us into a system of government more like an Empire rather than a Republic. Considering that WW1 came less than a generation later, we may have opted no to join, respecting the right of others to conquer rather than to promote pure freedom for all. As a nation, we would have bested ourselves, by following the same path as those before us.

Definately something to consider as it concerns opting out of fighting on behalf of other oppressed groups due to where it was already condoned on our turfs - and thus, short of fighting enemy nations abroad due to how it'd keep us alive more so than having concern for what happens to others (in the event that an enemy rising up against others would eventually come after us)...we'd not really care to be anything execpt neutral.

Slavery would probably not only been confined to Africans. As we made headway West, what would stop the CSA from including Indians in the same group? They were considered less than human as well, at that time. It would have been a matter of time, before a second civil war would have broken out. This due to lack of commerce between England (who hated slavery) and the US as well as freedom fighting groups that would crop up to end the CSA through revolts.

Can definately see that - especially in light of the history of others such as the Seminoles, John Brown rebellion and many others who chose to fight.

Watching how our country has progressed, I cannot see how the CSA could have made it this far, even if a revolt hadn't happened. As we became more civilized, our compassion would have freed them anyway

Unless, of course, compassion is something that is often based on the times - and in times of war, forced labor/man power always makes a difference. But then again, even in WW1/WWII, other soldiers noted that the oppression occurring back in the U.S was not something that stopped others from working together - and it actually helped to open the door for people to work together when seeing how minorities placed themselves on the line for other whites even after being mistreated by them (the Tuskagee Airmen being one of the greatest examples of that - more shared here).