Divorce

[selfinflikted]

Faith has nothing to do with our intelligence. It has to do with believing God in spite of all contrary circumstances. God said He will save our families. Anything else is a lie from Satan. We have the choice to believe God or Satan. Satan has stolen God's Word from the hearts of MANY Christians.

I'm interested to hear what you think of families god didn't save (i.e. broke his promise). What do you say to the women (or men) who did stick with an abusive relationship, and ended up dead?

 

[Duckybill]

I'm interested to hear what you think of families god didn't save (i.e. broke his promise).

Such has NEVER happened.

What do you say to the women (or men) who did stick with an abusive relationship, and ended up dead?

If they ended up with God I will say, VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU!

 

[Gishin]

Such has NEVER happened.

If they ended up with God I will say, VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU!

That's disturbing zealotry right there.

 

[Duckybill]

That's disturbing zealotry right there.

I don't expect you to understand, when MANY professing Christians don't. Did you miss my comment, that I advise spouses to leave and abusive situation?

 

[Gishin]

I don't expect you to understand, when MANY professing Christians don't. Did you miss my comment, that I advise spouses to leave and abusive situation?

Yes, despite the colossal waste of time I do in fact read your posts. They are completely devoid of empathy, reason and thought and only serve to highlight the ignorance that is wrought when one seeks to enforce rules without understanding the logic behind them. You continuously deflect responsibility for what you write by saying "they're not my words, but God's" but when asked direct questions, you only respond with bible quotes. That's having your cake and eating it too. You seek to defend your failing arguments by declaring that only a few truly understand and that all the rest of us feeble minds simply can't comprehend your infallible interpretation. Unfortunately for you, the most likely reason most people don't agree with you (mind you, there's a difference between understanding you and agreeing with you) is because you're flat out wrong. Your suggestions are ridiculous, your interpretation flawed, your logic lacking, and your advice worthless. Have a good evening.

 

[Duckybill]

You profess to be an unbeliever. Of course we cannot agree. What's sad is those call themselves Christians who agree with you.

 

[Gishin]

Such is the burden of being right, many people end up agreeing with you.

 

[Duckybill]

Such is the burden of being right, many people end up agreeing with you.

The majority are nearly always wrong about God.

Matthew 7:14 (NKJV)
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Gishin]

The majority are nearly always wrong about God.

Matthew 7:14 (NKJV)
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You seek to defend your failing arguments by declaring that only a few truly understand and that all the rest of us feeble minds simply can't comprehend your infallible interpretation. Unfortunately for you, the most likely reason most people don't agree with you (mind you, there's a difference between understanding you and agreeing with you) is because you're flat out wrong.

I think the term for this is quod erat demonstrandum.

 

[Duckybill]

The message of the Bible is FEW are saved. I.E. Noah, Lot.

Luke 17:26-28 (NKJV)
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:

Narrow is the way and FEW there be...

 

[Gishin]

Do I need to post any more or do you intend to prove me right all by yourself?

 

[Duckybill]

Do I need to post any more or do you intend to prove me right all by yourself?

We only have one life to be saved in.

Luke 13:24 (NKJV)
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Once it's gone, it's gone. Eternity is a LONG, LONG, LONG time.

 

[Gishin]

Listen to me or else!

Is pretty much all you're saying.

People, don't stay with an abusive spouse, and don't feel you need to live a life of loneliness if you do leave. If you believe in a merciful God I'm sure he'll forgive you for making the mistake of marrying the wrong man or woman and will give you a chance to make up for it. Don't blindly take anyone's advice, neither Ducky's nor my own, but measure it by it's own merit and reason. Ducky would have you obey a strict interpretation of the law for no other reason then because he says so. Other, more reasonable Christians have presented perfectly valid points that even I can't disagree with, despite the fact we would disagree on just about everything else.

 

[Duckybill]

Is pretty much all you're saying.

No, I am saying LISTEN TO GOD'S WORD, the Bible.

People, don't stay with an abusive spouse, and don't feel you need to live a life of loneliness if you do leave. If you believe in a merciful God I'm sure he'll forgive you for making the mistake of marrying the wrong man or woman and will give you a chance to make up for it. Don't blindly take anyone's advice, neither Ducky's nor my own, but measure it by it's own merit and reason. Ducky would have you obey a strict interpretation of the law for no other reason then because he says so. Other, more reasonable Christians have presented perfectly valid points that even I can't disagree with, despite the fact we would disagree on just about everything else.

And still, there are no valid excuses for Christians to divorce. Being divorced and remarried doesn't keep you from being saved. It's just another reason to get saved.

 

[scraparcs]

Such has NEVER happened.

If they ended up with God I will say, VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU!

Ducky, how many dead corpses of faithful spouses who were killed do we have to show you? Wanna see the obituaries, Ducky? Up for a graveside visit?

Is pretty much all you're saying.

People, don't stay with an abusive spouse, and don't feel you need to live a life of loneliness if you do leave. If you believe in a merciful God I'm sure he'll forgive you for making the mistake of marrying the wrong man or woman and will give you a chance to make up for it. Don't blindly take anyone's advice, neither Ducky's nor my own, but measure it by it's own merit and reason. Ducky would have you obey a strict interpretation of the law for no other reason then because he says so. Other, more reasonable Christians have presented perfectly valid points that even I can't disagree with, despite the fact we would disagree on just about everything else.

Also, don't stay because it's quite possible you could end up dead. That's a good reason to leave in and of itself.

Hey Ducky? 1 Corinthians 7:10-15

10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[Duckybill]

The promises of God are ONLY for Christians, except for salvation.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[scraparcs]

The promises of God are ONLY for Christians, except for salvation.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

So I have to find graves of dead Christians? All righty then. Will do.

 

[Duckybill]

So I have to find graves of dead Christians? All righty then. Will do.

And still you won't know whether they believed God's promises or not. Most likely NOT.

"FEW there be."

 

[selfinflikted]

Such has NEVER happened.

If they ended up with God I will say, VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU!

I'm not sure I'm following you. First, you stated that spouses shouldn't give up on their marriage and trust god's promise that he will "save" the family. Then, when I point out that there are families that are not saved (i.e. dead spouses) you then claim that such has never happened? Could you please explain?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm not sure I'm following you. First, you stated that spouses shouldn't give up on their marriage and trust god's promise that he will "save" the family. Then, when I point out that there are families that are not saved (i.e. dead spouses) you then claim that such has never happened? Could you please explain?

and this has been the crux of my argument for many many pages. Too many pages.

He says that if I stay with an abusive husband, my faith will change that man because of God's promises. But then he also tells me I can leave my husband...I just can't divorce him.

It's a contradictory message at best and a deadly message at its worst.

Ducky is right, FEW will be saved, but what is a "few" to God? We cannot comprehend what that number is to God. I am divorced and remarried and I know where I will be on judgment day: in heaven, praising God.

I am constantly reminded of Matthew 23 when I read Ducky's posts...

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
...
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c] "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.



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