Divorce

[Duckybill]

I'm not sure I'm following you. First, you stated that spouses shouldn't give up on their marriage and trust god's promise that he will "save" the family. Then, when I point out that there are families that are not saved (i.e. dead spouses) you then claim that such has never happened? Could you please explain?

I did explain. You don't know if they believed God's promises or not. Don't blame God because someone died.

 

[Duckybill]

He says that if I stay with an abusive husband, my faith will change that man because of God's promises. But then he also tells me I can leave my husband...I just can't divorce him.

It's a contradictory message at best and a deadly message at its worst.

Ducky is right, FEW will be saved, but what is a "few" to God? We cannot comprehend what that number is to God. I am divorced and remarried and I know where I will be on judgment day: in heaven, praising God.

I am constantly reminded of Matthew 23 when I read Ducky's posts...

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
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"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c] "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.​

You would report me if I said that. More moderator privilege?
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[selfinflikted]

I did explain. You don't know if they believed God's promises or not. Don't blame God because someone died.

You don't know that either. Are you trying to say that the level of "belief" is the determining factor of whether, and to what extent, god saves a marriage? Are you trying to say that for every dead spouse there was not enough "belief" in the household to be saved? If that is what you're saying, how could you possibly know whether one was a true believer or not? That's rediculous.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You would report me if I said that. More moderator privilege?
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I've never reported you. Keep up the accusations of "Staff privilege" and I will. However, if you think it's a violation of the rules, report it. Otherwise...

If I'm wrong about you, prove it. Show that your statements are not Pharisaical in nature. Stop trying to look like you're some better Christian than everyone else here and start trying to be loving like Jesus was. Stop pretending that you can see into people's hearts, because you can't. And most of all, stop questioning people's faith and their Christianity.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You don't know that either. Are you trying to say that the level of "belief" is the determining factor of whether, and to what extent, god saves a marriage? Are you trying to say that for every dead spouse there was not enough "belief" in the household to be saved? If that is what you're saying, how could you possibly know whether one was a true believer or not? That's rediculous.

yes, that is exactly what he is claiming while trying to hide behind scriptures.

 

[Duckybill]

You don't know that either.

Never said I did.

Are you trying to say that the level of "belief" is the determining factor of whether, and to what extent, god saves a marriage?

Pretty much.

Are you trying to say that for every dead spouse there was not enough "belief" in the household to be saved?

Pretty much.

If that is what you're saying, how could you possibly know whether one was a true believer or not? That's rediculous.

You missed my point. It's not whether someone is Christian or not. Many Christians have been taught by Satan's ministers and are filled with unbelief in God's promises. That doesn't mean they are not Christians necessarily.

 

[Duckybill]

I've never reported you. Keep up the accusations of "Staff privilege" and I will.

I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

However, if you think it's a violation of the rules, report it. Otherwise...

I don't report people. Never have. I let God fight my battles.

If I'm wrong about you, prove it. Show that your statements are not Pharisaical in nature. Stop trying to look like you're some better Christian than everyone else here and start trying to be loving like Jesus was. Stop pretending that you can see into people's hearts, because you can't. And most of all, stop questioning people's faith and their Christianity.

Prove that all you just said aren't false accusations.

 

[selfinflikted]

Never said I did.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
You missed my point. It's not whether someone is Christian or not. Many Christians have been taught by Satan's ministers and are filled with unbelief in God's promises. That doesn't mean they are not Christians necessarily.

ok. That pretty much clears that up.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

Hopefully they will speak louder than yours.

I don't report people. Never have. I let God fight my battles.

hmm...perhaps God left ya to your own devices on this one. YOUR posts speak for themselves.

Prove that all you just said aren't false accusations.

Classic. Again, your posts speak for themselves. You should worry more about your fruits than about my faith. Your fruits aren't producing much these days.

Matthew 7:22-23
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

 

[Duckybill]

Classic. Again, your posts speak for themselves. You should worry more about your fruits than about my faith.

Never mentioned your faith.

Your fruits aren't producing much these days.

You're not the Judge.

Matthew 7:22-23
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Are moderators permitted to judge others in CF? You called me hypocrite and now you are judging me.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Never mentioned your faith.

I just literally blew milk out my nose.

You're not the Judge.

Are moderators permitted to judge others in CF? You called me hypocrite and now you are judging me.

Not judging you at all Ducky. Just making an observation.

Is that shoe on the other foot feeling a bit uncomfortable?

 

[Duckybill]

I just literally blew milk out my nose.
Not judging you at all Ducky. Just making an observation.

Is that shoe on the other foot feeling a bit uncomfortable?

I feel fine.

 

[b&wpac4]

You missed my point. It's not whether someone is Christian or not. Many Christians have been taught by Satan's ministers and are filled with unbelief in God's promises. That doesn't mean they are not Christians necessarily.

So, let's see if I am understanding you correctly:

Job didn't believe enough. Would you say that is an accurate statement?

 

[Duckybill]

So, let's see if I am understanding you correctly:

Job didn't believe enough. Would you say that is an accurate statement?

If Job was the first book in the Bible then he wouldn't have had any written promises from God. We have LOTS of them.

 

[Migdala]

I'm in the middle of a divorce myself. I got saved a few years ago and my husband HATED the change in me. He gave me a choice between him and Jesus.

I chose Jesus.

I came home from work 3 days later and he had left me. He is now living in another state with his girlfriend and their daughter from when they dated in high school.

God sent 3 different people to me, telling me that He was going to take my husband from me.....I begged Him to save my marriage, but it was not His will obviously.

I turned my marriage over to God and said..."God-if it is Your Will that my husband and I are to be together,then please save Him-it's the only way our marriage will work! But if it is not Your Will for us to be together, then let it happen quickly and give me the strength to be able to handle it."

The very next day was when I came home from work and my husband of almost 12 years had walked out on me.

Several strong Christian friends prayed for my marriage, but stopped quickly after they sensed that God was telling them not to bother praying for my marriage....it was not meant to be.

So I'm in the middle of a divorce right now. Was I supposed to sit around the rest of my life, waiting on my husband to decide to come back to me after he got tired of his girlfriend, or she got tired of him? I don't see that happening at all-he is very happy with her.

Or am I supposed to go get a divorce and pray that God will bless me with a man with whom I am EQUALLY YOKED with?

 

[b&wpac4]

If Job was the first book in the Bible then he wouldn't have had any written promises from God. We have LOTS of them.

How about Ruth? Her husband died.

How about Abraham? His wife died before him, and he had PLENTY of promises from God.

and the woman who spoke to Elisha about what to do about her deceased husband's debts when the creditors were coming to take away her sons into slavery? She lacked belief too?

 

[Duckybill]

I'm in the middle of a divorce myself. I got saved a few years ago and my husband HATED the change in me. He gave me a choice between him and Jesus.

I chose Jesus.

I came home from work 3 days later and he had left me. He is now living in another state with his girlfriend and their daughter from when they dated in high school.

God sent 3 different people to me, telling me that He was going to take my husband from me.....I begged Him to save my marriage, but it was not His will obviously.

I turned my marriage over to God and said..."God-if it is Your Will that my husband and I are to be together,then please save Him-it's the only way our marriage will work! But if it is not Your Will for us to be together, then let it happen quickly and give me the strength to be able to handle it."

The very next day was when I came home from work and my husband of almost 12 years had walked out on me.

Several strong Christian friends prayed for my marriage, but stopped quickly after they sensed that God was telling them not to bother praying for my marriage....it was not meant to be.

So I'm in the middle of a divorce right now. Was I supposed to sit around the rest of my life, waiting on my husband to decide to come back to me after he got tired of his girlfriend, or she got tired of him? I don't see that happening at all-he is very happy with her.

Or am I supposed to go get a divorce and pray that God will bless me with a man with whom I am EQUALLY YOKED with?

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[Duckybill]

How about Ruth? Her husband died.

How about Abraham? His wife died before him, and he had PLENTY of promises from God.

and the woman who spoke to Elisha about what to do about her deceased husband's debts when the creditors were coming to take away her sons into slavery? She lacked belief too?

What promises did they have from God?

 

[b&wpac4]

What promises did they have from God?

Are you asking what promises the Jewish people had from God?

Ok. Start with Genesis and read until... shoot, I don't remember which book ends the Christian ordering of the Hebrew scriptures. Is it 2 Chronicles?

 

[Duckybill]

Are you asking what promises the Jewish people had from God?

I'm asking you to specifically name promises of God to those you mentioned. I'm not saying there aren't any. I'm just not sure of any for those you mentioned.