Divorce

[Cabal]

I am astounded that nobody has replied to this comment!

Look what your sickening theology hath wrought....

 

[Duckybill]

Look what your sickening theology hath wrought....

You'll have to blame Jesus. I got it from Him.

 

[Gishin]

God saved his family because he believed God's promise. Quite simple. And there are many more promises for Christians. Promises for EVERY problem a Christian will encounter.

Like having them beaten to death sooner rather than later so they'll have to endure it less?

 

[Duckybill]

Like having them beaten to death sooner rather than later so they'll have to endure it less?

No, like this:

Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

 

[Steffenfield]

No, like this:

Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

Great question Ducky.

Apparently in 2009, an estimated 1,318,398 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 5.3 percent from the 2008 estimate according to the FBI.

 

[Duckybill]

Great question Ducky.

Apparently in 2009, an estimated 1,318,398 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 5.3 percent from the 2008 estimate according to the FBI.

The BIG problem is that Satan has established MUCH of today's religious systems. He has stolen faith in God's promises from Christians. Satan has many of his ministers in the churches today teaching unbelief instead of faith.

 

[lawtonfogle]

No, like this:

Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

Actually, any semi educated (in the fields of biology and psychology) can do a whole lot to you, and if you are a parent, they can do even more to your children. Let us put it this way, it can be a whole lot worse than what happened to Job.

 

[Duckybill]

Actually, any semi educated (in the fields of biology and psychology) can do a whole lot to you, and if you are a parent, they can do even more to your children. Let us put it this way, it can be a whole lot worse than what happened to Job.

Nah

Psalm 91:1-16 (NKJV)
1 He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in Him I will trust." 3 Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler And from the perilous pestilence. 4 He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler. 5 You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, Nor of the arrow that flies by day, 6 Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday. 7 A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you. 8 Only with your eyes shall you look, And see the reward of the wicked. 9 Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place, 10 No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling; 11 For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways. 12 In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone. 13 You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra, The young lion and the serpent you shall trample underfoot. 14 "Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name. 15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him. 16 With long life I will satisfy him, And show him My salvation."

 

[PreachersWife2004]

For those who can't seem to distinguish between our earthly sufferings and our eternal salvation...

Throughout any struggles that we have here on earth, Christians realize that God WILL deliver us and that He WILL save us. But that does refer to our eternal salvation. We may suffer and be in pain in our earthly bodies, and that is a result of sin, but God may not always deliver us from our earthly sufferings, no matter how much faith we have. Perhaps for some, their earthly struggles are what fuels and strengthens their faith. Some are delivered but yet still suffer.

Yes, our God will take care of us. But that doesn't mean that those who suffer here on earth, for whatever reason, do so because our faith is weak.

 

[Duckybill]

Psalm 23:6 (NKJV)
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life;

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Psalm 23:6 (NKJV)
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life;

and?

Do you think the apostles were thinking this as they were martyred? Do you think they were put on the cross upside down or stoned because their faith wasn't great enough? Or what about Paul who was imprisoned? These guys had tremendous faith, yet they suffered many hardships.

Because that's essentially what you're telling people...if they have hardships in life it's because their faith isn't strong enough.

But we know that is hogwash. We know that God uses hardship to STRENGTHEN our faith and to lift us up:

Romans 5 3-5
Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

II Corinthians 12:9-10
But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

So let's not fool anyone here...Christians are not going to have easy lives simply because we are Christians. We do, however, have eternal life to look forward to, thanks to Jesus' death on the cross and God's love and mercy for us. Don't ever lose track of that.

 

[Duckybill]

and?

And what?

Do you think the apostles were thinking this as they were martyred? Do you think they were put on the cross upside down or stoned because their faith wasn't great enough? Or what about Paul who was imprisoned? These guys had tremendous faith, yet they suffered many hardships.

Because that's essentially what you're telling people...if they have hardships in life it's because their faith isn't strong enough.

They were chosen vessels who were told of the special suffering they would have.

But we know that is hogwash. We know that God uses hardship to STRENGTHEN our faith and to lift us up:

Are you and Apostle? Nah.

So let's not fool anyone here...Christians are not going to have easy lives simply because we are Christians. We do, however, have eternal life to look forward to, thanks to Jesus' death on the cross and God's love and mercy for us. Don't ever lose track of that.

Mark 11:24 (KJV)
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

actually, yes, I am an apostle. All Christians are. All Christians are given the command to go and spread the good news.

I've received what I've prayed for. I have a beautiful family, a wonderful church, a good life. I don't know why you have to be so bitter about that, Duck, and why you have this need to prove that I don't have a good life or that I'm not blessed.

I hope you can get over that obsession soon. God probably wants you focused on other things, like your own life, your own marriage, your own issues...

 

[Duckybill]

actually, yes, I am an apostle. All Christians are. All Christians are given the command to go and spread the good news.

Not the same. Not the authority.

I've received what I've prayed for. I have a beautiful family, a wonderful church, a good life. I don't know why you have to be so bitter about that, Duck, and why you have this need to prove that I don't have a good life or that I'm not blessed.

I hope you can get over that obsession soon. God probably wants you focused on other things, like your own life, your own marriage, your own issues...

I'm not bitter. I'm not obsessed with anything other than pleasing God.

Hebrews 11:6 (NKJV)
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Faith will protect and accomplish the impossible, even if I'm the only one who believes it.

Mark 9:23 (NKJV)
23 Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes."

Genuine faith will accomplish the impossible. I've seen it many times. God is faithful to we who believe and trust Him.

 

[kitty4038]

I was married before I was saved and divorced. I remarried again before I was saved to a wonderful man and we are now both born again.

I know quite a few true Christians who are divorced and now are in Godly marriages. God's ways are higher then our ways. We should not judge or condemns, but walk our walk the way God instructs us to.

 

[Duckybill]

I was married before I was saved and divorced. I remarried again before I was saved to a wonderful man and we are now both born again.

I know quite a few true Christians who are divorced and now are in Godly marriages. God's ways are higher then our ways. We should not judge or condemns, but walk our walk the way God instructs us to.

There is a BIG difference between divorcing as an unsaved and divorcing as a Christian. There is no valid excuse for Christians to divorce. I'm glad you're doing well.

 

[kitty4038]

There is a BIG difference between divorcing as an unsaved and divorcing as a Christian. There is no valid excuse for Christians to divorce. I'm glad you're doing well.

I mean no disrespect at all, please know that...

Hopefully, you would never tell a woman to stay in an abusive relationship. This subject is really personal top me, becuase I know a woman who stayed with physically abusive man, becuase the pastor told her to divorce would be a sin. This lady committed suicide, becuase she could not take it anymore. What she did was wrong to, but I can't help but think if she felt it was OK to leave this man and divorce him.
BTY, this man was also a deacon in the church, beleive it or not.

Although, I beleive God does not like divorce, I don't think women should ever be afraid to leave an abusive marriage. And if they leave, should they be alone the rest of their lives? That seems just cruel and harsh.

One of the most godly women I know, married a Christian man and after 3 yeas of marriage, he cheated on her and left. They are divorced. She is now married to a super man and they have a wonderful home. The Children are all saved and been baptized. Surely, God has blessed this union, as they have lead so many to the Lord. Yet, some "fundemental" churches would condemn this couple. To me it is alot of legalism.

Thankfully we are saved by Grace becuase we are all sinners. We can't add anything to that grace and while some condemn all divorces, I don't think God does.

 

[Duckybill]

Hopefully, you would never tell a woman to stay in an abusive relationship.

I've been falsely accused of that here several times, but I never have and never will advise such. But there's a HUGE difference between separation and divorce.

 

[kitty4038]

I've been falsely accused of that here several times, but I never have and never will advise such. But there's a HUGE difference between separation and divorce.

IN this nation alegal divorce is neccessary before a judge to get child custody, child support. It also prevents the man from returning it can prevent him from taking the womans money and possessions. Just as a marriage license is required, so is a divorce to offically end a marriage in the states eyes.
I also do not beleive that God "unsaves" anyone. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, is our down paymnet, our guarantee of haven. Even if a woman divorces, she is not going to be ever divorced from God.

 

[Duckybill]

IN this nation alegal divorce is neccessary before a judge to get child custody, child support. It also prevents the man from returning it can prevent him from taking the womans money and possessions. Just as a marriage license is required, so is a divorce to offically end a marriage in the states eyes.
I also do not beleive that God "unsaves" anyone. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, is our down paymnet, our guarantee of haven. Even if a woman divorces, she is not going to be ever divorced from God.

Divorce is Satan's deception that leads to adultery.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, NOR ADULTERERS, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.