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Yes it will hurt.

Matthew 13:49-50 (NKJV)
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

And yes adultery will send people to Hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

And NO, God is not playing games. Eternity is at stake.

GOD says our righteousness is as dirty rags..

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous acts are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." Isaiah 64:6

The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.. but the righteous will..

Romans 3:21–22 (ESV)

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:





How brother are you made righteous.. by what you do... or by what JESUS did??
 
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Look I think my views are well known here.. and as for continuing to come back.. just posting here depresses me but I love sharing about the grace of GOD.. it is sad people are caught up on the do's and don'ts and yeah I used to be one of them .. I have peace to move forward which I have not yet decided on.. and that is what takes me forward the freedom in GOD.. GOD is with me... and I want to serve HIM and HIM alone.. not people and legalism..

The HOLY SPIRIT just gave me this one.. LOL.. yeah little evil me.. LOL.. no actually I am holy through JESUS.. :)

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17
 
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Isnt it funny how the ten commandments lists lying as wrong twice yet people have their own pet hates they like to condemn other by, be it divorce homosexuality whatever, yet lying hardly cracks a mention because everyone does it.
In truth lying is as evil and sinful as anything a person can be condemned for, yet as you said PC4
There is no condemnation for those in Christ
By his blood we are judged
If only the unsaved could understand something so simple
If only Christs own people could understand it
 
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Isnt it funny how the ten commandments lists lying as wrong twice yet people have their own pet hates they like to condemn other by, be it divorce homosexuality whatever, yet lying hardly cracks a mention because everyone does it.
In truth lying is as evil and sinful as anything a person can be condemned for, yet as you said PC4
There is no condemnation for those in Christ
By his blood we are judged
If only the unsaved could understand something so simple
If only Christs own people could understand it

Oh yes yes and yes.. :)

:amen:
 
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GOD says our righteousness is as dirty rags..

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous acts are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." Isaiah 64:6

The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.. but the righteous will..

Romans 3:21–22 (ESV)

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:





How brother are you made righteous.. by what you do... or by what JESUS did??
Sounds like you're saying we can do whatever we please and still be saved. Satan would love for us to believe that. Those who don't strive to obey God won't be in His Kingdom!
 
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Sounds like you're saying we can do whatever we please and still be saved. Satan would love for us to believe that. Those who don't strive to obey God won't be in His Kingdom!

That wasnt up for argument and that wasnt said nor implied

Strive must be a different word where you come from because it means to TRY real hard where I come from
 
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I worry for those here who have a liberal view of remarriage.

Just speaking for me at least, I mean you all can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a pig.

As much as Ducky has offended and hurt some of us here, myself included, I'm in agreement.

Here's a good post I found online.

I didn't even really search for it since it was the very first link Google offered.

Divorce, Remarriage, Adultery, sex, lust

I read it the whole way through, and yeah, as much as it stinks like poo to read, for me, it's what I need to follow.
 
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Then I truly hope my husband dies.. if this is the case... It doesn't say I cannot wish that too does it??? I know I cannot murder him but... seriously is that where it leads??

Who is going to help me with the kids huh? and cuddle me when I am lonely at night.. huh.. or wipe my tears when I am sad and lonely.. pray with me when I am tempted.. you are all caught up by a religious spirit..

Paul a writer of many books of the bible was a murderer.. something none of us christians would do.. and he became a winner of souls.. why because HE is forgiven... JESUS grace was sufficient.. Rahab was a prostitute.. and yet she is part of JESUS own heritage.. she is also listed as a woman of great faith.. she would have slept with many men???? Married ones too I am sure.. if forgiveness extents to her why not us???

Where do you get off.. If Rahab was forgiven in the Old testament.. why not us under the new covenant..

Ducky has it so very very wrong.. I think it is not so much what the bible says but how it is interpreted.. you cannot just take a few scriptures and turn them around to suit yourselves and make us feel rotten.. that is not loving.. JESUS kindness leads to repentance.. not HIS judgement.. never that..

JESUS loved the sinners.. ate with the prostitues and tax collectors.. you guys if you follow these.... have no idea who JESUS really is.. HOW he loves and forgives.. and sets free.. this is not setting free.. this is tying up.. robbing stealing and murdering..

JESUS came that we have abundant lives.. and someone living apart from thier husband or wife.. is not living an abundant life.. there is something very wrong here..
 
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I worry for those here who have a liberal view of lying.

Just speaking for me at least, I mean you all can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a pig.

As much as somebody has offended and hurt some of us here, myself included, I'm in agreement.

Here's a good post I found online about lying.

I didn't even really search for it since it was the very fifth link Google offered.

Lying

I didnt read it the whole way through, and yeah, as much as it stinks like poo to read, for me, it's what I need to follow.
I try hard not to lie but I do sometimes, like everyone else

I was going to search judging others but I am sure no Christians would completely ignore Christ in light of what he said

Matthew 7:2–5 (NIV)

2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me
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Whats wrong with some of you people
If you are so perfect why do you even need Christ. Justify yourself by following the law
 
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JESUS loved the sinners.. ate with the prostitues and tax collectors.. you guys if you follow these.... have no idea who JESUS really is.. HOW he loves and forgives.. and sets free.. this is not setting free.. this is tying up.. robbing stealing and murdering..

JESUS came that we have abundant lives.. and someone living apart from thier husband or wife.. is not living an abundant life.. there is something very wrong here..

Still, Peace, you have to remember that the majority of the sinners Jesus *so loved* were not yet born-again.

Those of us who divorce without biblical grounds after being saved DO have to contend with the reality that the Lord may NOT be so understanding..so our only real option is to remain single and celibate from now on. Doing so may be difficult, but considering the sacrifice Christ made for us, isn't it *truly* worth compromising if it means we might still have a chance to go to Heaven despite our sin?
 
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I have never said that. Forgiveness is available. But many choose to defend their adultery rather than confess their sin. Christians who sin do not lose their salvation unless they push God pretty far. For the truly repentant forgiveness is available. But for those who tell others it's ok to divorce and remarry, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes on Judgment Day.

You could never fill my shoes anyway, Ducky.

I've got more compassion in my pinky toe than you do in your entire body.

For the LAST. TIME. I believe in God. I believe in God's promises. I see them fulfilled daily in the life I have now. My family is blessed abundantly through our faith in God. If you continue to say that because I divorced my ex-husband that I am a)going to hell or b)do not have faith in God, I will have to report you for questioning my Christianity (and the Christianity of others as well), which is against the rules here.

Understood?
 
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You could never fill my shoes anyway, Ducky.

I've got more compassion in my pinky toe than you do in your entire body.

For the LAST. TIME. I believe in God. I believe in God's promises. I see them fulfilled daily in the life I have now. My family is blessed abundantly through our faith in God. If you continue to say that because I divorced my ex-husband that I am a)going to hell or b)do not have faith in God, I will have to report you for questioning my Christianity (and the Christianity of others as well), which is against the rules here.

Understood?
You are VERY confused! I have never said you are going to Hell. If your conscience is bothering you don't blame me. There is still no valid reason for a Christian to divorce. Report me if you like, but you'd be doing so for spite not truth. To say you believe God's promise to save your husband and then divorce him is blatant contradiction.
 
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You are VERY confused! I have never said you are going to Hell. If your conscience is bothering you don't blame me. There is still no valid reason for a Christian to divorce. Report me if you like, but you'd be doing so for spite not truth. To say you believe God's promise to save your husband and then divorce him is blatant contradiction.

Since when is salvation dependent on one's spouse, Ducky?

Talk about contradictions.

No, my conscience is not bothering me. As I've said numerous times, I'm okay with the Lord and I'm living my life through and in Him.

Have a wonderful day, Ducky. The Lord is great and this day is beautiful and I've had a great time marveling in his creation!
 
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Still, Peace, you have to remember that the majority of the sinners Jesus *so loved* were not yet born-again.

Those of us who lie cheat steal have impure thoughts swear offend a brother or sister doubt God or question him without biblical grounds after being saved DO have to contend with the reality that the Lord may NOT be so understanding..so our only real option is to cut our eyes out and hands off from now on. Doing so may be difficult, but considering the sacrifice Christ made for us, isn't it *truly* worth compromising if it means we might still have a chance to go to Heaven despite our sin
 
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I would interpret it as perhaps good advice back in it's day but life has changed since then.

But for those who are struggling with a reading of the Bible that may be either too literal or too liberal (which is my downfall), it seems to be a properly centered message of hope.

God hates divorce. Yet there are situations where it may be proper and additional marriage may be possible.

The law is not wholly irrelevant, and God is not the God of legalism.
 
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Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Have a nice day.

Yes, because they were talking to the whole household! Let's look at context!

31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

So again, Ducky, since when does my ex's salvation depend on MY faith??
 
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Yes, because they were talking to the whole household! Let's look at context!

31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

So again, Ducky, since when does my ex's salvation depend on MY faith??
God saved his family because he believed God's promise. Quite simple. And there are many more promises for Christians. Promises for EVERY problem a Christian will encounter.
 
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God saved his family because he believed God's promise. Quite simple. And there are many more promises for Christians. Promises for EVERY problem a Christian will encounter.

God did not save his family because only he believed. God saved the family because the family believed.

The word says "Whosoever believes...shall be saved" not "whosoever believes shall be saved along with his family". My belief doesn't direct other people's beliefs.

As I pointed out already, I am receiving the blessings from God's promises. Does Satan bless? Of course not. My faith is stronger than ever, my children are blessed to have many Christian friends and resources, my husband has a thriving ministry teaching the word of God. I wake up and thank God, I go to bed thanking God.

God promises that He will take care of us. But that doesn't mean we just sit back and do nothing when problems arise. If we lose our jobs, we don't just say "well, God will give me another job" and do nothing. No, we search for a new job. When our car blows a tire, we don't sit back and say "God will rescue me" and then just wait. No, we either call for help or we walk to a nearby house. We take ACTION. Sometimes, the actions we take are the result of sin. That does NOT make the action itself a sin.

Also as I pointed out, in my remarriage, I've been able to show my teenager how a Godly husband and father should act. He's seen firsthand the benefits of God's blessings.

It makes me laugh that you still think I'm not a believer or that I won't inherit the kingdom of heaven, simply because I took ACTION over a sin that was consuming our lives. I took action with God's help and assistance. I was with God every step of the way and He took care of me during that time. Even when my ex tried to kill me, I didn't fear him because I knew God would handle the matter, and He was right there with me as I filed for a restraining order. I'll add that He even bumped the system for me because upon my divorce being finalized, the restraining order was made permanent - something I didn't even think about asking for but received anyway.

If you were separated for years, then I take it you have reconciled with your spouse. That is wonderful that you were able to do that and I applaud everyone who even attempts at reconciliation. That obviously is the best case scenario we can ask for, and when my husband is dealing with marital problems within the church he often takes a long time with reconciliation between the two parties. But reconciliation is not always possible, no matter how much you think it is. Sometimes, people have to be smart and understand that a situation is dangerous for them and for their faith.

I will always counsel abused spouses to remove themselves from the abusive situation, and then to take a long time working out whether their marriage can be salvaged or not. Sometimes it can, sometimes it can't. For those who have been wronged in their marriage, whether through infidelity or abandonment, and they no longer have a marriage, they still have the blessings of the Lord, as I have shown. Just because they didn't respond to the situation the way you think (and it is the way you think, not the way God thinks) doesn't mean they aren't believers or that they don't experience God's many blessings.
 
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