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Homosexuality is mentioned in NT <staff edit>. 'For they will not partake in the kingdom of God...'

Leave your political correctness at the doorway and read the Bible <staff edit>. You can not serve two masters. Women are not men...

Can you find me the word "abomination" used in reference to homosexuality in the NT? That was the point....

I grew up in a Baptist Church till I was about 18, trust me, we were DRILLED on the bible.
 
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Can you find me the word "abomination" used in reference to homosexuality in the NT? That was the point....

It's worse. The term is reprobate mind. God, gave them up to it.

I grew up in a Baptist Church till I was about 18, trust me, we were DRILLED on the bible.

Test all things and hold firmly to that which is truth.
 
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There are many reasons for divorce, abuse being one of them. Any god who would damn a woman for leaving an abuse husband, is not someone I would want to worship anyways. Nor would such a god be omnipotent.
 
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There are many reasons for divorce, abuse being one of them. Any god who would damn a woman for leaving an abuse husband, is not someone I would want to worship anyways. Nor would such a god be omnipotent.
Abused women are free to leave/divorce their husbands. The point of the matter is that it is a sin to remarry.
 
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Abused women are free to leave/divorce their husbands. The point of the matter is that it is a sin to remarry.

And such a god, and I believe there are many, is not worthy of worship or devotion in any way, shape, or form.
 
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There are many reasons for divorce, abuse being one of them. Any god who would damn a woman for leaving an abusive husband, is not someone I would want to worship anyways. Nor would such a god be omnipotent.

Amen.

Absolutely right you are.
 
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Abused women are free to leave/divorce their husbands. The point of the matter is that it is a sin to remarry.

Jesus said we must give an account of what we did and why.

Let Him be the Judge that He is.

Keep your Church free and clear of celebrating sin and see how well you all do on Judgment Day. I applaud your conservative values and Gospel truth. But, one word of caution, don't judge a repentant person.

Until of course their 491st divorce.
 
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Jesus said we must give an account of what we did and why.

Let Him be the Judge that He is.

Keep your Church free and clear of celebrating sin and see how well you all do on Judgment Day. I applaud your conservative values and Gospel truth. But, one word of caution, don't judge a repentant person.

Until of course their 491st divorce.

Alright, PC_F. I see that you chose not to respond to my post re repentence but continuing to 'live in sin' in the case of divorcees/remarrieds. So, I ask you up front even though this thread is not about homosexuality. How would a repentent homosexual who continues to cohabit with his/her partner be any different to a heterosexual doing the very same thing? Why is it that THIS topic is not an issue but homosexual relationships IS an issue?

I'm waiting with bated breath.
 
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Jesus said we must give an account of what we did and why.

Let Him be the Judge that He is.

Unfortunately, we live in a society where people regularly judge each other for their sins.

Keep your Church free and clear of celebrating sin and see how well you all do on Judgment Day.

I do not attend church. At this point, if there is a hell I will probably be going there.

I applaud your conservative values and Gospel truth. But, one word of caution, don't judge a repentant person.

Until of course their 491st divorce.

I don't see it mattering. If is one, two, or 491 divorces that passage of the Bible stands as it is. Excluding the mentioned justifications for divorce, all remarriages are sinful.

At least that is how I understand the passage.
 
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I don't see it mattering. If is one, two, or 491 divorces that passage of the Bible stands as it is. Excluding the mentioned justifications for divorce, all remarriages are sinful.

At least that is how I understand the passage.

Scripturally speaking, you are correct. Remarriage is tantamount to adultery.

Homosexuality has taken on a life of its own within Christianity but THIS topic (divorce leading to possible adultery) which is condemned by Jesus Himself is all but ignored. Polycrap_fan talks about repentence and forgiveness for the divorcee/remarried but it's perfectly okay with him if these people continue to live as a remarried/adulterer FOLLOWING the act of repentence. On the other hand he does NOT acknowledge the VERY SAME set of circumstances regarding a homosexual relationship. I just can't get my head around PC_F's thinking here.

But, that IS rather typical for PC_F.
 
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Unfortunately despite the indication in the OP, homosexuality has come in to play. I would like to draw us back to the question at hand. This is a side issue to the intention of the OP.

There seems to be at least two schools of thought.

1/ Remarriage = Adultery. Remedy, repent and change your way, or be ostracised.
2/ Remarriage = Adultery. Remedy. repentance. The act of same and grace of God at the point of conversion being enough to cover your sins even though you continue to live with 2nd or subsequent spouse. With regard to subsequent sins, are per 1 Cor quoted earlier - all is permissable but not all beneficial.

What I want to know (from Poly-carp or another who would believe remarriage is permissible-forgive me if I incorrectly interpret your position) is the biblical basis for remarriage of divorced persons whose first spouse is still alive.

Perhaps it is back to the question of the definition of repentance or even the theological interpretation of the position of Christians before God.

I understand the need for forgiveness and indeed not to judge, but I would like to explore the Biblical theology for the position supporting the position.
 
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Alright, PC_F. I see that you chose not to respond to my post re repentence but continuing to 'live in sin' in the case of divorcees/remarrieds. So, I ask you up front even though this thread is not about homosexuality.


Every thread with you guys is about homosexuality. You do realize who you're debating don't you? Don't even try to pull wool here pal.

How would a repentent homosexual who continues to cohabit with his/her partner be any different to a heterosexual doing the very same thing?

Are they encouraging others to sin? Jesus makes this threateningly clear that a person is going to sin, BUT they had better not set up others to sin. Although I very much applaud your conservative stance on this issue, and encourage it never violated . . . we just don't see adulterers in the Christian world promoting it to others. Every divorced person and adulterous person, I have ever met in the Church goes out of there way to tell others how wrong it is BECAUSE of reality of scripture. That is to say, the truth.

Why is it that THIS topic is not an issue but homosexual relationships IS an issue?

Who says it's not an issue? It is yet one more example of immorality put into law by our culture of licentiousness. What you are trying to do is extremely childish and yet very wrong. You are encouraging people to sin by claiming the school-yard logic of two wrongs making a right. If a person says that that have repented of homosexuality, then that must be believed until, or unless, you have actual proof that this person is bearing fruit of lies. Then there is a way for Christians to handle that too. (The pagan and tax collector deal.)


I'm waiting with bated breath.

Bated is the word.

Is there an adultery pride parade? Even if we use Mardi Gras, a pagan festival, we see that it leads up to repentance doesn't it?

We see one adulterer at the feet of Christ awaiting her death BY a completely righteous judgment. Jesus went against "the law" His own law, and did not condemn this one adulterer. We don't even see her repenting. We also have the Samaritan woman at the well, who was an immoral tramp shacking up with one guy after another.

Or, maybe these woman were taking care of their children as best they could with the situations they had to deal with??????

Only sinners are in need of Jesus. Perfect people need not apply. You know any?

And in reading the histories of Jesus's grandmom's I wouldn't be so hasty to be rude or mean to shadey women. Jesus has a mean side to Him that is very not nice.

Is there "marriage" presented any other way ANYWHERE in scripture that is same-gendered? In scripture, we see divorce handled, adultery handled, whorish behaviors handled, and yet we still see homosexuality handled and disapproved of, from beginning to end.

Why is this?

And KCKID, one of the Apostles asked Jesus how many times we are to forgive someone. 490 times right? Or was Jesus using some idiomatic phrase of His culture to mean forever or every time? That seems in context to scriptural truth.

If you know of any people engaging in same-gender sex acts, or that encouraging the behaviors, that are Christian, and that repent of it, you let them know they are forgiven. Oh, and adultery and divorce too.

Per Jesus.

And then His disciples, and then the rest of us.

Etc., etc., etc., et al.
 
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Gaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Thread, derailed again.

What of the scriptural basis for adulterers being allowed continue worship in churches??? Is it too much to ask?
If one remains married to a second or subsequent spouse whislt the firt is alive one commits adultery. Surely to remain married to a second spouse and remain in fellowship with other believers is not truly repenting?
If, not, what is the biblical basis for continuing to sin willfully as opposed to the sin followed by truly repent cycle.

Seriously anyone got a scriptural angle on this one?
 
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Every thread with you guys is about homosexuality. You do realize who you're debating don't you? Don't even try to pull wool here pal.

Anyone with half a brain would know WHY I brought up the issue of homosexuality. I even explained why. It's to do with your hypocritical approach between THAT subject and THIS subject.



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Are they encouraging others to sin? Jesus makes this threateningly clear that a person is going to sin, BUT they had better not set up others to sin. Although I very much applaud your conservative stance on this issue, and encourage it never violated . . . we just don't see adulterers in the Christian world promoting it to others. Every divorced person and adulterous person, I have ever met in the Church goes out of there way to tell others how wrong it is BECAUSE of reality of scripture. That is to say, the truth.
Polycarp_fan said:
Who says it's not an issue? It is yet one more example of immorality put into law by our culture of licentiousness. What you are trying to do is extremely childish and yet very wrong. You are encouraging people to sin by claiming the school-yard logic of two wrongs making a right. If a person says that that have repented of homosexuality, then that must be believed until, or unless, you have actual proof that this person is bearing fruit of lies. Then there is a way for Christians to handle that too. (The pagan and tax collector deal.)




Bated is the word.

Is there an adultery pride parade? Even if we use Mardi Gras, a pagan festival, we see that it leads up to repentance doesn't it?

We see one adulterer at the feet of Christ awaiting her death BY a completely righteous judgment. Jesus went against "the law" His own law, and did not condemn this one adulterer. We don't even see her repenting. We also have the Samaritan woman at the well, who was an immoral tramp shacking up with one guy after another.

Or, maybe these woman were taking care of their children as best they could with the situations they had to deal with??????

Only sinners are in need of Jesus. Perfect people need not apply. You know any?

And in reading the histories of Jesus's grandmom's I wouldn't be so hasty to be rude or mean to shadey women. Jesus has a mean side to Him that is very not nice.

Is there "marriage" presented any other way ANYWHERE in scripture that is same-gendered? In scripture, we see divorce handled, adultery handled, whorish behaviors handled, and yet we still see homosexuality handled and disapproved of, from beginning to end.

Why is this?

And KCKID, one of the Apostles asked Jesus how many times we are to forgive someone. 490 times right? Or was Jesus using some idiomatic phrase of His culture to mean forever or every time? That seems in context to scriptural truth.

If you know of any people engaging in same-gender sex acts, or that encouraging the behaviors, that are Christian, and that repent of it, you let them know they are forgiven. Oh, and adultery and divorce too.

Per Jesus.

And then His disciples, and then the rest of us.

Etc., etc., etc., et al.

Was that in any way, shape, or form an answer to my question?
 
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Gaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Thread, derailed again.

What of the scriptural basis for adulterers being allowed continue worship in churches??? Is it too much to ask?

No. - but you put the cart ahead of the horse

If one remains married to a second or subsequent spouse whislt the firt is alive one commits adultery.

Here is an assumption.

Surely to remain married to a second spouse and remain in fellowship with other believers is not truly repenting?

A logical response to your assumption

If, not, what is the biblical basis for continuing to sin willfully as opposed to the sin followed by truly repent cycle.

Seriously anyone got a scriptural angle on this one?

I believe you need to show a scriptural grounding for your assumption.
 
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