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You should not return to your wife? Deuteronomy is dealing with unbaptized people, with non-Christians, where divorce is possible by Divine dispensation. But with Christians, there is no such thing as divorce and so yes, you are supposed to return to your wife if you have an affair.
The woman at the well was not a baptized Christian but a Samaritan. She only even knew Jesus was the Messiah when He explained it to her at the well.
When a woman marries another man, she is no longer 'your' wife.
So you are trying to use Old Testament Law against Jesus and St. Paul? Jesus was well aware of this law when He spoke, indeed, He addressed it.Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
And the woman at the well was still not Baptized. There is a difference between the dispensation for divorce given to the Jews (and, by extension, Samaritans) and Christian marriage. Jesus says so explicitly.The woman at the well had been married 5 times, and Jesus recognized that. he did not say she continually lived in adultery, Jesus said you were married 5 times, and the person you are with now is 'not' your husband.
Not "should not", not "would not", but can't. There is no such thing as divorce.Again, I agree 2 Christians should not get divorced, but the reason for that is 2 Christians would not commit fornication against each other.
That's what St. Paul says.What 'you' are saying is if your spouse decides to leave you for someone else, refuses to repent and restore the marriage, that the person who had remained faithful must remain so until their death, because they are not set free and there is no peace for them. That's wrong.
So if someone commits a sin they are no longer Baptized?1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
You keep saying, well if they are both 'Christians'... we have already established a Christian would not be having an affair and be committing adultery.
1Cor 7:10-15 said:But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she consent to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace.
You keep saying, well if they are both 'Christians'... we have already established a Christian would not be having an affair and be committing adultery..
Even if one spouse had an affair . . . if the other was truly being Christ-like, I think forgiveness would be in order (unless, of course, the other was unrepentant).
Interesting thoughts BreadaloneEven if one spouse had an affair . . . if the other was truly being Christ-like, I think forgiveness would be in order (unless, of course, the other was unrepentant).
That's what I was wondering too.I don't know much about divorce... but people can be married for years and harbour bitterness(unforgiveness about any number of things), against there partner and still "pretend" to be a happy loving Christian couple...
So does not "forgiving" someone for an affair mean ....no divorce...
Can you please explain where Paul says anything about a baptized person verses an unbaptized person please. This confuses me someIf you are married, you cannot marry someone else. It doesn't dissolve the first marriage and create a new one, it simply doesn't do anything but is the crime of bigamy.
So you are trying to use Old Testament Law against Jesus and St. Paul? Jesus was well aware of this law when He spoke, indeed, He addressed it.
And the woman at the well was still not Baptized. There is a difference between the dispensation for divorce given to the Jews (and, by extension, Samaritans) and Christian marriage. Jesus says so explicitly.
Not "should not", not "would not", but can't. There is no such thing as divorce.
That's what St. Paul says.
So if someone commits a sin they are no longer Baptized?
Let's go over this passage again at length:
You claim that if someone commits adultery, they are no longer baptized and therefore can divorce their spouse. So when would the first case apply?
Sin doesn't remove your baptism. The Pauline exception only applies to one baptized and one unbaptized spouse.
normally Baptists seem to understand the covenants are important, God joined two people together... and you think that we can destrory the works of God?Reading this thread reminds me of the damage that Catholicism does against so many people. It's just about to the point where I consider Catholicism and Protestantism two separate religions. The whole idea that you can't divorce someone, even if they threaten your life, beat you to near-death, verbally abuse you, harm your children, etc, is simply disgusting. To heck with the pope, I'll follow Jesus.
BL
I think she equates baptism with salvation.Can you please explain where Paul says anything about a baptized person verses an unbaptized person please. This confuses me some
Me too!Reading this thread reminds me of the damage that Catholicism does against so many people. It's just about to the point where I consider Catholicism and Protestantism two separate religions. The whole idea that you can't divorce someone, even if they threaten your life, beat you to near-death, verbally abuse you, harm your children, etc, is simply disgusting. To heck with the pope, I'll follow Jesus.
BL
Interesting question Rham!normally Baptists seem to understand the covenants are important, God joined two people together... and you think that we can destrory the works of God?
Jesus did not say "divorce is bad" he said that if you get a divorce and marry someone esle you commite adultry
Still married??but you can not marry some one else because you are still married
Rhamiel said:normally Baptists seem to understand the covenants are important, God joined two people together... and you think that we can destrory the works of God?
anyway, no there is no divorce, not that it is not allowed, but that you can not have it, it is not a real thing
Jesus did not say "divorce is bad" he said that if you get a divorce and marry someone esle you commite adultry
we do not say that you have to be with someone who is abusive, sometimes you have to seperate from your husband or wife because of abuse
but you can not marry some one else because you are still married
stick with Jesus, he said if you divorce and remarry you commite adultry
the Catholic Church does not keep people from reading the BibleA cheating, abusive, unrepetant spouse has broken the vows and the covenant. Jesus is recorded as having given an exception. Just because the RCC contradicted Him and kept the masses from being able to read what He actually said, it doesn't mean that modern people (who can actually read what the bible says) have to believe that foolishness.
A "real" Christian sometimes stumbles and commits fornication or divorce before heart wrenching repentance...Originally Posted by HAPMinistries You keep saying, well if they are both 'Christians'... we have already established a Christian would not be having an affair and be committing adultery..
AChristian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
-wiki
Christianity teaches fornication is a sin.
Christians refrain from sin, and when sin is committed, repent.
A 'REAL' Christian would not commit fornication.
Or if they did, they would repent of their sin, and refrain from doing it again.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh .. you so bad lolnot any more at least
If you are married, you cannot marry someone else. It doesn't dissolve the first marriage and create a new one, it simply doesn't do anything but is the crime of bigamy.
So you are trying to use Old Testament Law against Jesus and St. Paul? Jesus was well aware of this law when He spoke, indeed, He addressed it.
And the woman at the well was still not Baptized. There is a difference between the dispensation for divorce given to the Jews (and, by extension, Samaritans) and Christian marriage. Jesus says so explicitly.
Not "should not", not "would not", but can't. There is no such thing as divorce.
That's what St. Paul says.
So if someone commits a sin they are no longer Baptized?
Let's go over this passage again at length:
1Cor 7:10-15But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.You claim that if someone commits adultery, they are no longer baptized and therefore can divorce their spouse. So when would the first case apply?
For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she consent to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace.
Sin doesn't remove your baptism. The Pauline exception only applies to one baptized and one unbaptized spouse.
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