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could protestants get an annulment?
hmmm... I dunno... this is an interesting question
Not at all.You make clear that you don't understand what an annulment is.
Not screwed, just foolish and out of God's will.If we're both in sects, then we are both screwed.
Beer?I don't recall anyone saying Catholics were better people because we mae delicious beer. We are simply recalling the facts.
Courting FTW!
Sure there is!Protestants are not Catholics and so are not under Canon Law.
They can't mke up their own kangaroo court tribunals or have the spouses decide for themselves whether or not they have a true marriage so there would be no one to judge. So even if some putative Protestant marriages are not true marriages, there is no one to rule otherwise.
OR.. it 'could' be that it's one of those many many things He did that wasn't recorded.I do not think Jesus ever said divorce was allowed.
Well looky here, the voice of reason.Divorce happens. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.
The Orthodox Church allows for this and has a process of restoration and the possibility of remarriage. The entirety of it is penitent in nature, even if one is the victim of spousal abandonment/adultery...we all play a part.
Sometimes there is a marriage, and it falls apart. This is true between spouses, friends, and between us and God. We CAN walk away from covenant- happens all the time.
I don't see truth in either of these ..Should divorce be the unpardonable sin? Should we pretend that there never was a marriage so we can skirt the issue?
Speaking the truth in love.No offense to my RCC brethren, but anullment to me just seems illogical and lacking boldness to confont failure and restoration.
But that's my impression.
Divorce happens. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.
The Orthodox Church allows for this and has a process of restoration and the possibility of remarriage. The entirety of it is penitent in nature, even if one is the victim of spousal abandonment/adultery...we all play a part.
Sometimes there is a marriage, and it falls apart. This is true between spouses, friends, and between us and God. We CAN walk away from covenant- happens all the time.
Should divorce be the unpardonable sin? Should we pretend that there never was a marriage so we can skirt the issue?
No offense to my RCC brethren, but anullment to me just seems illogical and lacking boldness to confont failure and restoration.
But that's my impression.
If you at least acknowledge it as a sin you're doing a lot better than most
From me, no less..Well looky here, the voice of reason.
They take that whole provision for deacons and bishops and apply it to all church ministry. Very unfortunate.I don't see truth in either of these ..
Attended an AOG church when I was first "reborn".
They wouldn't let me help in the nursery. Guess why.
Thanks.Speaking the truth in love.
Very nice.
It is 'sin'- hamartia, 'to miss the mark.'If you at least acknowledge it as a sin you're doing a lot better than most
True- but parents who are restored help their kids to restore. Most of the brokenness for kids, in my estimation, seems to take place after the fact, by virtue of parents resentfulness toward one another, parents backsliding into alcohol/drug abuse, promiscuity- the kids are watching.I think the kids suffer the most. When their parents divorce the children pay for their parent's debt. It can be like a curse.
That is the passage I was referring o when I said that Paul talked about the marriage between a baptized person and an unbaptized person. Paul refers to "the unbelieving spouse" not two believing ones. The marriage between two baptized people is inseperable.
What you are saying i that if you know your wifeis having an affair, that gives you the right to have your own affair. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Also, this is why I said that marriage between Christians is the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and not a mere civil contract. "Until death do us part" is binding.
I do not think Jesus ever said divorce was allowed.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Yes, it is allowed, and if your spouse commits fornication, you go out free.
Not at all.
Seen it done, studied about it and in fact my
stepmom (who was married twice before my dad)
has been through it.
Anyone can google it and study it.
As i said, very interesting and a simple concept.
Not screwed, just foolish and out of God's will.
I don't belong to one. Christian is what I be.
Beer?
If you guys are responsible for Heineken I'll join today.
Two wrongs do not make a right, but one wrong breaks a covenant.
After the covenant is broken, you are set free, in peace.
With God as our example:
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
If God declares a person's faith to be 'dead' apart from works, how can you declare A marriage without works to be alive?
God is consistent from beginning to end:
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
To restore a relationship, repentance is a must.
When a person or nation decides to stay unrepentant:
Jer 3:7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
Jer 3:8a And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce...
God lets it go, and expects the same, in both the OT and NT
Deu 24:4a Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife...
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart...
BUT
I absolutely agree with you assessment that 2 Christians should never get divorced. Of course, a Christian would recognize Adultery as sin, and refrain and repent of it if it happened.
I do not agree with your assessment on the people who were left and abandoned for other relationships.
As Deut says, you are not to return to that marriage.
Jesus even openly declared about marriage 2 very important facts of life here:
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Jesus recognized that this woman had no husband.
Jesus recognized 5 marriages.
Jesus recognized her current living in adultery, not married to the person she was sleeping with.
Your doctrine I find does not match scripture.
Mt 19:1-10 said:And it came to pass when Jesus had ended these words, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judea, beyond Jordan. And great multitudes followed him: and he healed them there. And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.
Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Yes, it is allowed, and if your spouse commits fornication, you go out free.
1Cor 7:10-11 said:But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
Rom 7:2-3 said:For the woman that hath an husband, whilst her husband liveth is bound to the law. But if her husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. Therefore, whilst her husband liveth, she shall be called an adulteress, if she be with another man: but if her husband be dead, she is delivered from the law of her husband; so that she is not an adulteress, if she be with another man.
they could go to the Catholic Church for annulments lolProtestants are not Catholics and so are not under Canon Law.
They can't mke up their own kangaroo court tribunals or have the spouses decide for themselves whether or not they have a true marriage so there would be no one to judge. So even if some putative Protestant marriages are not true marriages, there is no one to rule otherwise.
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