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Divine Revelations or Delusions?

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Has anyone come across this web site before: http://www.divinerevelations.info/

It has lots of dramatic stuff on the site, including some pretty scary alleged testimony, but I'm wondering how much of it is real. I'd be interested to hear what other think.
 
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Has anyone come across this web site before: http://www.divinerevelations.info/

It has lots of dramatic stuff on the site, including some pretty scary alleged testimony, but I'm wondering how much of it is real. I'd be interested to hear what other think.

It's impossible to tell who is truthful and who is not. So it's all non-information to me; as equally useful or belief-worthy as a blank page. That's the thing with these type of things, they seem specific to the person, and no one else.
 
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Clearly Christ revealed is not enough for some people; they need "divine revelations," trips to hell and back, and conversations with demons and angels. The Colossians dealt with the same heresy.

In other words, I wouldn't worry about.
 
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Have you ever noticed that people's "revelations" often fit what they already believe, at least in certain ways?

I read a couple out of mild curiosity. Some I recognize as book titles that I have read and movies I have seen over the years.

There may be things in them that happen to be true. One I read just now had some truths in it - we must actually FOLLOW Christ, not just confess Him. But we all pretty much agree on that, I would think. But it also depicted a Christ who seemed rather unmoved by the suffering of those in hell -- which I really have to question why they are in "eternal hell" right now, since the final judgement has not happened. Are we to imagine that God places them in hell for many years, centuries, however long, only to bring them out, carry out the final judgement, then send them right back? Theoretically possible, but rather odd. But the part that really gets me? Demons gleefully enjoying themselves torturing disobedient Christians. When did hell become a satanic amusement park for demons? Don't the people who received these revelations wonder whether God didn't want to punish the demons at least as much as He wanted to punish the Christians they caused to stumble? Does that strike anyone besides me as really odd?

I think Dante has had quite an influence on some people's theology.
 
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Has anyone come across this web site before: DivineRevelations

It has lots of dramatic stuff on the site, including some pretty scary alleged testimony, but I'm wondering how much of it is real. I'd be interested to hear what other think.


This is the first time that I visited that site but.....

I have read this book and I loved it....

Heaven is for REAL
"by Todd Burpo
A young boy emerges from a life-saving surgery with remarkable stories of his visit to Heaven."

....

I also read The Vision by the following author several times... it is
exceptionally well done..... I believe he had a genuine visionary dream of heaven
back in 1995.


The Final Quest
"This amazing revelation comes from a vision given to the author Rick Joyner. All Christians should read this. So many lessons, pitfalls & mistakes are shown by this revelations that even the most mature Christians can greatly learn from it. This testimony available on a different website."

Here is one of the discussions that I began with
a quotation from him:

Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?

Poll: Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?


Perhaps this should be in the Controversial Doctrine forum.....

but then again I am wondering if this might fit in nicely here.....

This does make sense to me that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would
indeed stand to H-s feet at that time.........


The Hordes of Hell are Marching

Pastor Rick Joyner:
"This is My cup. Will you drink it with Me?"

There was no way that I could refuse Him. As the Lord continued to look at Me I began to feel His great love. Even as foul as I was He still loved me. As undeserving as I was He wanted me to be close to Him. Then He said:

"I love all of these with a love that you cannot now understand. I also love all who are supposed to be here but did not come. I have left the ninety nine to go after the one who was lost. My shepherds would not leave the one to go after the ninety nine who are still lost. I came to save the lost. Will you share My heart to go to save the lost? Will you help to fill this room? Will you help to fill these thrones, and every other seat in this hall? Will you take up this quest to bring joy to heaven, to Me and to My Father? This judgment is for My own household, and My own house is not full. The last battle will not be over until My house is full. Only then will it be time for us to redeem the earth, and remove the evil from My creation. If you drink My cup you will love the lost the way that I loved them."

He then took a cup so plain that I was surprised that it even existed in a room of such glory, and He placed His tear in it. He then gave it to me. I have never tasted anything so bitter. I knew that I could in no way drink it all, or even much of it, but I was determined to drink as much as I could. The Lord patiently waited until I finally erupted into such crying that I felt like veritable rivers of tears were flowing from me. I was crying for the lost, but even more I was crying for the Lord.

I looked to Him in desperation as I could not take any more of this great pain. Then His peace began to fill me and mix with His love that I was feeling. Never had I felt anything so wonderful. This was the living water that I knew could spring up for eternity. Then I felt as if the waters flowing within me caught on fire. I began to feel that this fire would consume me if I could not begin declaring the majesty of His glory. I had never felt such an urge to preach, to worship Him, and to breathe every breath that I was given for the sake of His gospel.

"Lord!" I shouted out, forgetting everyone but Him. "I now know that this throne of judgment is also the throne of grace, and I ask You now for the grace to serve You. Above all things I ask You for grace! I ask You for the grace to finish my course. I ask You for the grace to love You like this so that I can be delivered from the delusions and self-centeredness that so pervert my life. I call upon You for salvation from myself and the evil of my own heart, and for this love that I now feel to flow continually in my heart. I ask You to give me Your heart, Your love. I ask You for the grace of the Holy Spirit to convict me of my sin. I ask You for the grace of the Holy Spirit to testify of You, as You really are. I ask for the grace to testify of all that You have prepared for those who come to You. I ask for the grace to be upon me to preach the reality of this judgment. I ask for the grace to share with those who are called to occupy these empty thrones, to give them words of life that will keep them on the path of life, that will impart to them the faith to do what they have been called to do. Lord, I beg You for this grace."

The Lord then stood up. Then all of those who were seated upon the thrones for as far as I could see also stood up. His eyes burned with a fire I had not seen before.

"You have called upon Me for grace. This request I never deny. You shall return, and the Holy Spirit shall be with you. Here you have tasted of both My kindness and My severity. You must remember both if you are to stay on the path of life. The true love of God includes the judgment of God. You must know both my kindness and severity or you will fall to deception. This is the grace that you have been given here, to know both. The conversations you had with your brethren here were My grace. Remember them."

He then pointed His sword toward my heart, then my mouth, then my hands.

When He did this fire came from His sword and burned me with a great pain. "This too is grace," He said. "You are but one of many who have been prepared for this hour. Preach and write about all that you have seen here. What I have said to you say to My brethren. Go and call My captains to the last battle. Go and defend the poor and the oppressed, the widows and the orphans. This is the commission of My captains, and it is where you will find them. My children are worth more to Me than the stars in the heavens. Feed My lambs. Watch over My little ones. Give the word of God to them that they may live. Go to the battle. Go and do not retreat. Go quickly for I will come quickly. Obey Me and hasten the day of My coming."

A company of angels then came and escorted me away from the throne. The leader walked beside me and began to speak.

"Now that He has stood He will not sit again until the last battle is over. He has been seated until the time when His enemies are to be put under His feet. The time has now come. The legions of angels that have been standing ready since the night of passion have now been released upon the earth. The hordes of hell have also been released. This is the time that all of creation has been waiting for. The great mystery of God will soon be finished. We will now fight until the end. We will fight with you and your brethren."

I awoke.
The idea that the hordes of hell were released in 1995..... would sure explain a lot of what has been happening?!
 
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This is the first time that I visited that site but.....

I have read this book and I loved it....

Heaven is for REAL
"by Todd Burpo
A young boy emerges from a life-saving surgery with remarkable stories of his visit to Heaven."

....

I also read The Vision by the following author several times... it is
exceptionally well done..... I believe he had a genuine visionary dream of heaven
back in 1995.


The Final Quest
"This amazing revelation comes from a vision given to the author Rick Joyner. All Christians should read this. So many lessons, pitfalls & mistakes are shown by this revelations that even the most mature Christians can greatly learn from it. This testimony available on a different website."

Here is one of the discussions that I began with
a quotation from him:

Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?

Poll: Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?


Perhaps this should be in the Controversial Doctrine forum.....

but then again I am wondering if this might fit in nicely here.....

This does make sense to me that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would
indeed stand to H-s feet at that time.........


The Hordes of Hell are Marching

Pastor Rick Joyner:

The idea that the hordes of hell were released in 1995..... would sure explain a lot of what has been happening?!


I'm pretty sure that every generation since Jesus has thought the hounds of hell were released among them.
 
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One of the phenomena's I have been studding for several years now is near death experiences, better known as NDE. One must be very careful and read between the lines, but there are also some amazing insights that are pretty hard to dispute, mainly because of the consistency of them. Many stray way off orthodox thinking, and beliefs but also seem to hold some valuable truths.

I have always felt that we Christians are missing a lot of truths, but we also must be very careful to depend on the Holy Spirit to guide us. As with any subjective material there are many arguments on both sides and I think one should be very careful venturing off into unorthodox thinking.

I have often wondered what scrolls the Vatican has tucked away that many of us would love to study. The Nag Hammabi scrolls did shed some light on what they may or may not have hidden away.
 
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One of the phenomena's I have been studding for several years now is near death experiences, better known as NDE. One must be very careful and read between the lines, but there are also some amazing insights that are pretty hard to dispute, mainly because of the consistency of them. Many stray way off orthodox thinking, and beliefs but also seem to hold some valuable truths.

I have always felt that we Christians are missing a lot of truths, but we also must be very careful to depend on the Holy Spirit to guide us. As with any subjective material there are many arguments on both sides and I think one should be very careful venturing off into unorthodox thinking.

I have often wondered what scrolls the Vatican has tucked away that many of us would love to study. The Nag Hammabi scrolls did shed some light on what they may or may not have hidden away.


I wonder though, why would the Vatican need to hide anything Way in the first place? Should information about the Catholic faith not be withheld from the faithful? Does anyone else find that odd?
 
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I wonder though, why would the Vatican need to hide anything Way in the first place? Should information about the Catholic faith not be withheld from the faithful? Does anyone else find that odd?

If you were to study the Nag Hammabi scrolls you could quickly see comments that would not fit into Catholic theology. One must remember that our bible came from the Catholic church, and they gave us what they wanted us to have. Also remember it took them twelve hundred years to decide what should and shouldn't be in the bible.
 
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If you were to study the Nag Hammabi scrolls you could quickly see comments that would not fit into Catholic theology. One must remember that our bible came from the Catholic church, and they gave us what they wanted us to have. Also remember it took them twelve hundred years to decide what should and shouldn't be in the bible.

That's kind of my point—why not release them and just say they weren't meant to be part of Catholic theology and were considered before ultimately deeming them not valid? Saying otherwise is borderline intellectual dishonesty since they're not giving full disclosure on theological history. Are they afraid that if word of that gets widely known there will be many who walk away from the faith? It's better for them to fully disclose the things and take than risk than to pretend it isn't there, then have people find out about it, and thus risk more people from falling away due to the Church keeping secrets.
 
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In the internet age, I really don't think that Vatican still has anything much hidden away.

As far as NDE, by definition, people are still alive when they have these experiences. I really think that after we die, it is very different.

As far as Nag Hammadi, and other revelations: I think God is way bigger than we are; we just limit Him to what we can understand and communicate. As we get better at understanding and communicating (hopefully by having followed Jesus longer) God seems to get bigger to us as well.

And it's 300 years the Catholic church took to decide what is in the Bible. Council of Nicea, ca. 365, fixed the canon.
 
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In the internet age, I really don't think that Vatican still has anything much hidden away.

As far as NDE, by definition, people are still alive when they have these experiences. I really think that after we die, it is very different.

As far as Nag Hammadi, and other revelations: I think God is way bigger than we are; we just limit Him to what we can understand and communicate. As we get better at understanding and communicating (hopefully by having followed Jesus longer) God seems to get bigger to us as well.

And it's 300 years the Catholic church took to decide what is in the Bible. Council of Nicea, ca. 365, fixed the canon.

No, people are not still alive, when you have a flat line EEG (no brain activity) the person is clinically dead. Reality is when the neo cortex is inactive nobody is home.

Here again, the Catholics didn't ratify the NT until the beginning of the reformation. 1516 if I remember correctly. Only thing that was decided at the Niece was the trinity issue. Remember the Armenians didn't want to accept any of Paul's letters. They had 300 documents to consider for the New Testament, look what we ended up with, where are the other where are they now?

The Gnostics were murdered by orders of the Catholic church, of course they used the Nights of Templar to do their dirty work, until the queen of France had them wiped out. Of course the Catholics fabricated some horrendous lies about the Gnostics. Some of the Gnostics beliefs were a bit screwy, but not heretical.

The first counsel had 1800 priests arguing over what should and shouldn't be in the NT, can you imagine what a mess that was.
 
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That's kind of my point—why not release them and just say they weren't meant to be part of Catholic theology and were considered before ultimately deeming them not valid? Saying otherwise is borderline intellectual dishonesty since they're not giving full disclosure on theological history. Are they afraid that if word of that gets widely known there will be many who walk away from the faith? It's better for them to fully disclose the things and take than risk than to pretend it isn't there, then have people find out about it, and thus risk more people from falling away due to the Church keeping secrets.

That is a very good point, and question. I can't imagine that the early church destroyed all those scrolls, however we have no way of knowing. No one really understood the Gnostic thinking until the Nag Hammabi scrolls were found and translated. It is a shame that they were damaged and are fragmented, but they are very interesting reading. Another scroll is the testimony of Judas, that is an eye opener if there is any validity to it.

God has talked to his people throughout the ages, do you think he has stopped, just maybe He is attempting to open our eyes and see some things we have been missing. These scrolls give more insight into who Christ is, and in no way leads us away from him.
 
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No, people are not still alive, when you have a flat line EEG (no brain activity) the person is clinically dead. Reality is when the neo cortex is inactive nobody is home.

Here again, the Catholics didn't ratify the NT until the beginning of the reformation. 1516 if I remember correctly. Only thing that was decided at the Niece was the trinity issue. Remember the Armenians didn't want to accept any of Paul's letters. They had 300 documents to consider for the New Testament, look what we ended up with, where are the other where are they now?

The Gnostics were murdered by orders of the Catholic church, of course they used the Nights of Templar to do their dirty work, until the queen of France had them wiped out. Of course the Catholics fabricated some horrendous lies about the Gnostics. Some of the Gnostics beliefs were a bit screwy, but not heretical.

The first counsel had 1800 priests arguing over what should and shouldn't be in the NT, can you imagine what a mess that was.
Medical definitions get extended every few years. For many centuries, coffins being opened for reburial found dead people had come to life and tried to claw their way out. I do not accept the medical definition of death for this reason.

I said "fixed", not "ratified". You are correct, Trent ratified the canon in response to Luther, etc. But Jerome's ideas were what established it. But you are right, arguments are still going on now. I watch a few of them on Facebook. Here's the whole history: Canon of the Holy Scriptures | Catholic Answers


I agree about the Gnostics.
 
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Clearly Christ revealed is not enough for some people; they need "divine revelations," trips to hell and back, and conversations with demons and angels. The Colossians dealt with the same heresy.

In other words, I wouldn't worry about.

So you don't believe any heaven and hell visions?
 
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