Diversity

[Abongil]

I believe that America prospered as a Christian Nation that was tolerant of other ethnic groups, but is now being torn apart by different ethnic groups fighting for control. Christians will not tolerate Atheism being taught in the public schools. It was bad enough that evolution was taught, but homosexual, transgender and other perversions are not tolerable. It really does not matter who wins the election if the ethnic differences remain, because the looser will always become the spoiler.

I believe in Christianity, Capitalism and Democracy. America was a Christian Nation until socialism was introduced in the government by the Roosevelt Administration. That socialism has led to the rise of the Atheistic Ethnic Group.

Please show me where, in the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the United States, does it say we are a Christian nation.

 

[clirus]

jayem quote

Doesn't the Bible also say that tending to the sick is a moral obligation for a believer?

It would seem to me that using government--not to provide health care directly--but to ensure that citizens have access to affordable health insurance and can't be denied coverage or priced out of the market because of their health status is exactly in keeping with Biblical teaching. This would certainly be a government policy that promotes Judeo-Christian values. I'd also think that the government supporting medical education, and ethical medical research, so that we have well-trained providers who can treat illness in the most scientific and effective manner is also a highly moral and worthwhile activity.

Response

This question needs to be expanded to include the question, "Isn't tending to the sick a moral obligation for the government? Many people try to imply religion and politics do not mix, but the government by the people, for the people, of the people will be based on the religion of the people. Thus I will address the question from a religious standpoint.

The Bible is very clear that there are things that are good that should be the Christian Lifestyle of the people and there are things that are evil which lead to disease, death and destruction, which is the Atheistic Lifestyle. The Bible clearly identifies pornography, abortion and homosexuality as evil and sure enough, these lead to disease, death and destruction.

The next question is, "Why is the person sick/needy?" I believe there are people that are innocently needy (mental or physical birth defects) and there are people that are self inflicted needy (wilful disobedience of God's Law). It is morally wrong for people/government living the Christian Lifestyle to tend to the people living the Atheistic Lifestyle if there is no prospect of repentance on the part of the person leading the Atheistic Lifestyle. I believe God intends that people who lead the Atheistic Lifestyle, die from the Atheistic Lifestyle. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." If Christians and the government provide health care/welfare to people that are living the Atheistic Lifestyle are they doing God's will or rejecting God's will?

Some would say this statement is contrary to the New Testament of the Bible, but I believe the New Testament of the Bible was written to Christians who are living the Christian Lifestyle and have no application to those that are living the Atheistic Lifestyle. Those living the Atheistic Lifestyle are still under the Old Testament Law that says those who do evil deserve death.

Rejecting evil does not mean that Christians should make any attempt to physically exterminate evil, but rather to allow the disease, death and destruction of evil to have its course and to use the disease, death and destruction as proof of God's word the Bible.

The Bible calls for personal charity as loving your neighbor, but that charity should be tempered with the need to change the heart of the person that is sick/needy. Too often, charity gets to be loving the sinner and accepting the sin. The Bible says to love the sinner, but never to accept the sin.

There are two choices on how to deal with the sick/needy, one is prevention and the other is cure. I believe prevention should be preached by both Christians and the government. Christians should preach prevention (living the Christian Lifestyle) as obedience to God, and the government should preach prevention for health and safety reasons. I do not believe there is cure/health care/welfare, just a lot of bad choices for keeping something alive that is ultimately going to die. The only question is how many will die because evil is contagious. Evil starts as pleasureful, but ends with disease, death and destruction.

Too many people that say they are Christians, accept things that are rejected by the Bible. Christians are called to do self examination and remove sin from their heart. I do not see how a person can really remove sin from their heart and yet accept sin by others. Matthew 6:24 states, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

When I read the great commission for Christians, I do not see feed/health care/welfare mentioned. What I do see is the responsibility for Christians to teach what God states in the Bible so people will not get involved in evil or will turn away from evil. Matthew 28:19-20 states, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."

Some would say that the economy, health care/welfare, immigration, etc. are more important issues than religious issues, but Psalms 127:1 states, "Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain." There is an experiment in America to see if a nation can be built on Atheism, and I see that experiment as a massive failure.

Too much of what is being called diversity is really trying to yoke Christians/good and Atheists/evil together. The Bible warns against that. II Corthians 6:14 states, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" Unbelievers/Atheists make a strong case for there being a moral obligation for Christians and the government to provide health care/welfare to everyone, but I do not believe that is God's will.

All of the above is very relevant, because America must make a choice in November. The choice is democrats that favor cure and Republicans that favor prevention.

 

[HannahBanana]

Clirus, since when is it a bad thing to live in harmony with your neighbor, despite his/her sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion (or lack thereof), and nationality? Isn't that basically what Jesus preached?

 

[clirus]

To marieelana

There is an old saying, The blackest lie is 10% absolute truth.

Your statements are the 10% truth of diversity, but should things that are rejected by the Bible be allowed because of diversity?

I see diversity being used today as way to discredit and destroy the Bible. I believe Satan will always try to take the good things of God and pervert them into evil. Satan perverts love into lust, charity into health care/welfare, etc.

Only by the wisdom of understanding the Bible can there be the ability to accept the 10% truth and reject the 90% perversion.

It is very interesting to note that you presented the problems associated with inbreeding and/or incest. Could cloning have the same problems? Does society have to offer health care/welfare to the products of cloning?

 

[Gremlins]

As far as I'm aware, Clirus, the Bible commands us to look after the sick and needy regardless of how they became sick and needy, and regardless of whether we agree with them on anything.

 

[marieelana]

To marieelana

There is an old saying, The blackest lie is 10% absolute truth.

Your statements are the 10% truth of diversity, but should things that are rejected by the Bible be allowed because of diversity?

I see diversity being used today as way to discredit and destroy the Bible. I believe Satan will always try to take the good things of God and pervert them into evil. Satan perverts love into lust, charity into health care/welfare, etc.

Only by the wisdom of understanding the Bible can there be the ability to accept the 10% truth and reject the 90% perversion.

It is very interesting to note that you presented the problems associated with inbreeding and/or incest. Could cloning have the same problems? Does society have to offer health care/welfare to the products of cloning?

I was more addressing ethnic diversity, not religious diversity. We don't have to practice other cultures, but we should allow it in the government. Also, you never addressed my point on the foxes- you said that breeding to get something friendly has worked, but I know as well that single-trait breeding is hazardous to a species. The foxes were starting to eat their own litters and were becoming epileptic- that just can't be healthy.

 

[praying]

When did Christianity become an ethnicity? I did not get that memo.

 

[praying]

It is morally wrong for people/government living the Christian Lifestyle to tend to the people living the Atheistic Lifestyle if there is no prospect of repentance on the part of the person leading the Atheistic Lifestyle.

Please please porvide Biblical support for the above. I don't recall Jesus saying sin no more now let me help you; it was here let me help you, now go and sin no more. Not even an insistence that you go an sin no more but a request.

 

[marieelana]

When did Christianity become an ethnicity? I did not get that memo.

I don't know, apparently you can only be a Christian by birth from now on? Not to mention the fact that some atheists were Christians before they were atheists. Ethnicity can't be changed so easily, can it?

If you could only be a Christian by birth though then there'd be no point in trying to convert anyone. If they weren't born a Christian, then they could never become one. Already it seems a bit flawed to think.

In all I would say that if you don't like someone's beliefs you can argue with them, you can persuade them, but you don't have the right to force them to change. You can't force everyone in a nation to be of a faith, because when you do it sort of loses its virtue. People shouldn't be a Christian because they need to, but because they want to be a Christian or desire it.

 

[jayem]

Rejecting evil does not mean that Christians should make any attempt to physically exterminate evil, but rather to allow the disease, death and destruction of evil to have its course and to use the disease, death and destruction as proof of God's word the Bible.

I tip my hat. I think that's the most astoundingly sanctimonious statement I've yet read on these forums. The Pharisees would be proud.

So are there no sincere, Bible-believing, born-again Christians who get sick? Does all illness (except congenital) come from sinful choices? Maybe sometime you could visit the oncology floor of any pediatric referral hospital. I'd like to know what sin a 3 year old committed to get leukemia. Or how a 5 year old's atheistic lifestyle caused her osteogenic sarcoma. How in the world can you distinguish who is "innocently" sick and who is receiving their just deserts for wickedness? Yes, I am a non-theist, but I have studied the Bible. You're certainly entitled to your idiosyncratic opinion, but it's about as non-Biblical as anything I've ever heard.

Do you actually witness to people using that kind of theology? I sure can't believe you'd win many souls among the parents of sick children by stating that disease and death should run it's natural course.

 

[clirus]

HannahBanana quote

Clirus, since when is it a bad thing to live in harmony with your neighbor, despite his/her sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion (or lack thereof), and nationality? Isn't that basically what Jesus preached?

Response

God/Jesus/Holy Spirit preach that there is good and evil, Christian Lifestyle and Atheistic Lifestyle. The Bible defines good and evil, Christian Lifestyle and Atheistic Lifestyle. The Bible provides examples of the blessings of living the Christian Lifestyle and the disease, death, and destruction of the Atheistic Lifestyle.

The Bible says there is no harmony between good and evil.

Matthew 6:24 states, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
II Corthians 6:14 states, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

The only reason for Christians to associate with Atheists is to witness to them so they will repent and accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines in the Bible. Any other association is dangerous for the Christian because the sin nature is still present in the Christian. Christian have to live and work in the world, but should pick their friends very carefully.

Some would say that everyone is the same, but that is just not true. In keeping with the context of good and evil, Christian Lifestyle and Atheistic Lifestyle, let me introduce the concept of givers and takers.

A person living the Christian Lifestyle usually is married and has a family. The father provides the income and the mother takes care of the children and household. The family does not rely on credit and does not purchase what they cannot afford. They attend church, pay their tithes, and try to live in accordance with the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. They pay their taxes and serve their country, but are weary of government programs because of government controls. These are the givers.

A person living the Atheistic Lifestyle usually is not married, divorced and not paying their child support. They are over their head in debt, and have work habits that puts their job in jeopardy. They consider the commandments/doctrines of the Bible as restricting the pleasures they deserve. They rely on medial insurance to get them through the problems associated with their lifestyle or rely on government health care/welfare. They never advance in their jobs because of poor work habits so they pay little in taxes. Many living the Atheistic Lifestyle are employed in jobs that advocate the Atheistic Lifestyle such as the news media and entertainment industry. Others have jobs that are associated with government programs that serve people involved in the Atheistic Lifestyle. These are the takers.

The new buzz words are, Social Justice. There is no social justice associated with advocating/condoning homosexuality/activity when that activity leads to the disease, death and destruction of AIDS. There is no social justice associated with advocating/condoning pornography/adultery when that activity leads to illegitimate children and STDS.

The phrase, Social Justice, is just another attempt by the Atheistic Liberal News/Entertainment Industry and the democrats to put a smiley face on the ugly activities of homosexuality and adultery.

It may be possible to live in tolerance of evil, but never in harmony.

 

[CaDan]

Diversity

I was just reminded of an experiment in Russia that involved foxes. The experiment was to see if selective breeding of the most friendly foxes would lead to a breed of friendly foxes. The experiment showed that by selective breeding, the social behavior of the foxes could be changed.

I would suggest that most of what is called ethnic diversity is really selective breeding within the ethnic group that produced a group of people with certain characteristics.

America was supposed to be a melting pot where ethnic differences just naturally melted away. I am not sure that is possible, nor am I sure that is what God wants. I believe the ethnic diversity began when God caused the people to speak different languages when they were trying to build the Tower of Babel. I believe the Tower of Babel was an attempt to confront God instead of bow down to God.

When you look at world events, you see violence when diverse ethnic groups are forced to coexist. It may be possible for forced selective breeding to change social characteristics but I believe most ethnic groups believe they are correct and others are wrong. I believe most ethnic groups would rather die than to change.

I say these things not to belittle anyone, but rather to give understanding to the conflicts/situations that we face. I believe it is unreal to advocate the melting pot concept.

I believe that America prospered as a Christian Nation that was tolerant of other ethnic groups, but is now being torn apart by different ethnic groups fighting for control. Christians will not tolerate Atheism being taught in the public schools. It was bad enough that evolution was taught, but homosexual, transgender and other perversions are not tolerable. It really does not matter who wins the election if the ethnic differences remain, because the looser will always become the spoiler.

I believe in Christianity, Capitalism and Democracy. America was a Christian Nation until socialism was introduced in the government by the Roosevelt Administration. That socialism has led to the rise of the Atheistic Ethnic Group.

The Russian Fox experiment showed that the social nature of foxes could be changed by selective breeding, and rebuking evil is a method of selective breeding.

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - reject/rebuke it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world.

I believe America strayed from Christian Principles because Christians were enticed by what was perceived to be freebies offered by socialism. The thing they did not realize was that the freebies benefitted the Atheistic Lifestyle more than it benefitted the Christian Lifestyle. America is now involved in the Cultural War.

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

Lol, Lysenkoism.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

A person living the Christian Lifestyle usually is married and has a family. The father provides the income and the mother takes care of the children and household. The family does not rely on credit and does not purchase what they cannot afford. They attend church, pay their tithes, and try to live in accordance with the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. They pay their taxes and serve their country, but are weary of government programs because of government controls. These are the givers.

A person living the Atheistic Lifestyle usually is not married, divorced and not paying their child support. They are over their head in debt, and have work habits that puts their job in jeopardy. They consider the commandments/doctrines of the Bible as restricting the pleasures they deserve. They rely on medial insurance to get them through the problems associated with their lifestyle or rely on government health care/welfare. They never advance in their jobs because of poor work habits so they pay little in taxes. Many living the Atheistic Lifestyle are employed in jobs that advocate the Atheistic Lifestyle such as the news media and entertainment industry. Others have jobs that are associated with government programs that serve people involved in the Atheistic Lifestyle. These are the takers.

Do you honestly believe the world is such a simple place that people are bifurcated (that means split) between those two camps:

the good guys (us):

and the bad guys (them):

I'm not sure where you're from, but Earth is a considerably more nuanced and interesting place.

 

[Nathan Poe]

the good guys (us):

Notice the shiner on the Beav's left eye, and the "that hurt you more than it hurt me, and that's a good thing" look on Ward's face.

Domestic abuse isn't any cuter in black and white.

and the bad guys (them):

At least these people are smiling, and all their mutilations are (presumably) voluntary.

I'll stick with the "bad" people.

 

[elanor]

Oh, man. I saw this thread and told myself, 'Don't do it. Don't open it.' But it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You want to turn away, but you just can't.