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Distorting God's word
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I honestly don't know. There are lots of ways that I could speculate as to why but I probably won't know until that day I meet my Lord and Saviour.
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Well, it's because God's seventh day Sabbath rest isn't over yet:
For we who have believed enter that rest, as He has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,' although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For He has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works."
And again in this passage He said, "They shall not enter my rest."
Since therefore it remains for some to enter it ...
- Hebrews 4:3-5
So there's at least one "day" in Genesis 1-2 that isn't a 24-hour period. (Three if you include the ones in Gen 1:5 and 2:4; by a literalist viewpoint, the former was less than 24 hours long and the latter was much longer.)
And why exactly was it that YECs considered the six days of Genesis 1 24-hour-days?
For we who have believed enter that rest, as He has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,' although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For He has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works."
And again in this passage He said, "They shall not enter my rest."
Since therefore it remains for some to enter it ...
- Hebrews 4:3-5
So there's at least one "day" in Genesis 1-2 that isn't a 24-hour period. (Three if you include the ones in Gen 1:5 and 2:4; by a literalist viewpoint, the former was less than 24 hours long and the latter was much longer.)
And why exactly was it that YECs considered the six days of Genesis 1 24-hour-days?
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The seal stamped out "the (whole) earth", not the landforms of the earth.
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juvenissun
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Gravity is only one element in the illustration. The "seal on clay" illustrates (not represents) the process of planet formation. Remind you that we do not quite know how does it work yet. But the verse "tells" us that all planets were, are and will be made "the same way". I don't think any cosmologist dares to tell you that. Were the earth and the Jupiter made the same way? The Bible verse answers: some critical processes MUST be the same.
It is one revealed by the 20th Century science. What is wrong with that? if there were 22nd Century, the "seal on clay" illustration will become more true then ever.
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juvenissun
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The problem is on that "what if you do can retrofit it?"
How do you understand the faith that the Bible is forever true? Do you think some verses in the Bible were only true to people lived "before 500 B.C."? Which verse turned out not to be true just 100 years ago?
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juvenissun
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So? The whole earth looks like a piece of clay stamped with a seal.
As Mallon showed you:
That looks to me like the ancient idea of mountains and valleys on a flat earth.
What if God knows how to use a 3D stamp? We do have 3D printer now, even it is a little slow to "print" an object.
If you do not like the word "print" for the 3D printer, would the "electric stamp" be a better term for it?
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I’m not sure what you mean by ‘what if you do can retrofit it?’. That sentence doesn’t make grammatical sense.
The Bible IS forever true. However, to be true it does not have to be literal. Some verses were best understood as literal before 500BC. Some verses were best understood as literal before even 100 years ago. 200 years ago too. But hey, they can STILL CONVEY TRUTH.
Let’s take this Job verse. Okay, so, as has been pointed out by Assyrian, clay under a seal would definitely be flat, indicating a flat earth.
HOWEVER.
Wasn’t a seal normally on a ring on the hands? It could be taken off and used in the hands to push down a seal, or just left on the finger while the hand would be pushed down in a fist so the ring would stick out.
So, if God made the world like a seal is stamped into clay, could it not also mean God made the world with His hands? I don’t think you’ll find any believer who disputes God made the world, the entire universe, and since He’s often referred to as a potter, it would make sense, no?
So, how is it NOT true if we go by the version and lesson I just proposed?
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The so-called "flat earth" was true (how many?) years ago. It is no longer true now. But not a single word was changed in the Bible. It is all about interpretation.
So, why is it not possible or not probable to read the same words in the Bible that do not make perfect scientific sense today, but will become true or correct description, say, 100 years later?
God's hand makes earth; God's ring makes earth. They are all fine. Nobody argued about it until someone made a list and said: "look, they do not make a scientific sense".
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My God! He's got it - he's really really got it!
Now just apply what you've said to defend against the flat earth to evolution/creation/Genesis and you have the TE position. We believe the exact same thing - just in a different part of the Bible!
Welcome - Juvenissun, the water's fine.
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It certainly does make sense. Also we need to consider what ideas are conveyed by this image of a seal (not the singer or the animal).
Ancient Seals and Signets (Bible History Online)
"The Signet and Seal
The signet makes a deep impression in clay forming an official seal. The imprinted seal carries the full authority of the office it represents and no one dare question it. His design is well known, his symbol without any doubt authentic, his mark indelibly declares the full authority of royal ownership. There is the pain of death to those who violate it. "
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I saw nothing here that even remotely could convince me of your argument.
Maybe because they are described exactly as such.
I can't imagine a story that talks about days that include an evening and a morning and not thinking they were 24 hour days. It's only those who are willing to allow man-made ideas to distort the truth of God's Word who could see it differently.
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