God was in fact there, loving Job, and on top of it all,
God was telling Job he was of great value...
Well first off that was not a quote..quotes have quotation marks....secondly, any time God tells us He loves us, He is telling us we have great value....and thirdly, God did continue to tell Job He loved HIm, see the more detailed post...it appears you don't really know what biblical love, God love really is...
In the first three chapters When all of these things were happening God did not speak to Job assuring Him of his "love."
right, in fact, there is no indication that Job had any clue that any of this was going on...so are you then suggesting that the only way we can know God loves us, the only way God can tell us He loves us is if He audibly says, "I love you"? I have a host of passages you need to look at if that is really what you think. If it isn't what you think, you did not make your point, because God was still telling Job He was loved.
God did not speak to Job till chapter 38, and again it was not to tell Job of his "love." If anything God put Job in his place, and humbled Him for questioning God's actions.
see above...scripture tells us that God is love, as such, there is nothing He can do that does not tell us we are Loved. Love is His very nature. If He is involved, we are being told we are loved...and btw, one of the pictures we have of God's love is King Love, one of the very first things we see in King Love is His sovereignty...IOW's God's sovereignty, which is what God taught Job is a demonstration of love, God's sovereignty is in fact, God whispering to us, (including Job) I love you, you are of great worth to me.
IOW's through out the book of Job, throughout Job's life, even this ordeal, God was telling Job, just like He is telling us, that we are loved and of great value...we have a love value beyond words. I challenge you to show otherwise since that is your claim...show where God no longer was God in Jobs life. Show where in the book of Job, God stopped being His God, stopped telling Job He was loved....I would love to see the passage especially since we will soon be taking a class on Job...what passage says God stopped being God to Job, stopped telling Him He was loved....?
"In the End" God never say anything to Job about what Happened or why. Job simply received a double measure of blessing in the end.
read it again, God told Job that He was sovereign...Sovereignty is one of the Love notes God has for us. It is one of many ways God tells us we are loved and of great worth....
If you have trouble wrapping your mind around the idea that we tell people how we feel about them often times without words, consider how we tell our spouse or our children they are loved. It isn't just when we say "I love you" that we tell them they are loved, it is also when we provide meals, spend time, hug, take them places, etc. that we say we love.
If you have a hard time understanding God's sovereignty as being a love note, consider a young child. They are too young to know what they need, too young to provide for themselves, and so the parent says, I will provide your every need, for I know what you need and want only what is best for you...that is sovereignty and that shows love.
Not sure what other parts of this you might not be able to grasp...
I highlighted all of thisin my original follow up, you chose to deny the correction and move on.
I did not deny any correction, please retract your false claims...and just for the record I don't even know what you are referring to here (as in specifics) in that you refused to respond to most of what I said and never yet have answered the questions I asked you.
It mean that if your not willing to yield to scripture or represent it correctly, then we are no long having a conversation that represents God.
awesome, I agree completely, but you have yet to show how I misrepresented any scripture...I have however shown and am willing to assume you don't yet realize you are misrepresenting scripture. IOW's when I am confident that you know you are dismissing what scripture really says, or that you show me with specifics how I am wrong about scripture, I will wash my hands of the entire thing...so far you have shown a lack of understanding of both scripture and what I have said, and I have pointed that out in detail...now we will see if you are willing to debate according to scripture or not.
What is left is an excessive in pride. Who is right for the sake of being right, and because you have taken the bible off of the table then there is no standard in which to hold your word accountable to. Apparently you will start "claiming" authority that has nothing to do with scripture.
Scripture is the only thing I will argue with. IOW's if we remove scripture from the table, it is a fruitless debate in which I am told by that same scripture to avoid, which is why I eagerly await your response, so I know if you have removed scripture or not.
Because you do not know what was being said.
If you truly don't then that is more freighting than if this was all planned.
your claim of misquote was not even a quote, so it could not be a misquote which shows you to be the one who needs to grow in understanding...
No, it just i love God more.
God loves enough to correct when we are wrong and calls us to the same love....you dear one, have failed to love if you really think I misquoted scripture...but as shown, you read into my post a quote that was not there and in doing so, bore false witness...how is a false witness of a brother Love? How is bearing false witness against a brother loving God? Sounds like you have a pride issue to me...
I will not take His biblically backed precepts and drag them through the mud of a conversation. of one who says she holds scripture as her bench mark, but who's actions do not reflect this proclamation.
how so? I asked before and I will ask again, if you love God as you claim, then obey His command to love me and tell me what I have wrong....
I have taken the time to point out a key stone fault in your system of belief. One that effects all of your abilities to gather compile and share what you know of God. This includes the message of love you want to share. If you will not address this fault then anything else I point out will be explained away with the same logic you used to change the meaning of Job to fit your argument, or if I some how manage to beat you back into a corner. you will pick a trivial reason, and simply dismiss all that I had to say.
so, you think that God failed to love Job...you think that God's sovereignty is not Love...okay, please show me this in scripture...please show me the passages I have missed in my hours and hours of study on biblical love..what passage says that God stopped loving Job? What scripture says that God's sovereignty is a Love note to us His people? I am really anxious to fully know the answer so that I might repent in full knowledge and understanding of God's love, a love that is the very nature of God...
1 John 4:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 Whoever does not love does not know God,
because God is love.
Again just because "love" does not follow your model of it, does not mean it is not there.
My model???? What makes you think it's my model????? As I said, I have been studying Biblcial love for quite a few years now, I assure you, I have found many surprises, been challenged beyond my ability without the HS, and continue to learn just how high and deep and wide and full God's love really is. What I am talking about is not my idea or model of love, but the one I discovered in scripture when I poured out myself to Him and asked Him to fill me only with His truth, His Love, His understanding. My model of love, ceased to exist long ago...God's model is much more impressive and challenging...you should spend some time getting aquainted with it, you will not be disappointed, a guarentee it.
I have shown you your misquote,
then I missed it...in fact, in this very post you accuse me of misquoting by referencing a comment that was not a quote of anyone at all, just a comment I made that sums up the very nature of God and all the ways He tries to tell us He loves us. If you want to accuse me of misquoting scripture, please do so by showing where I misquoted scripture...thanks, otherwise, a Godly man would retract their false accusations and repent of bearing false witness against a brother...
but will not get into a "love" debate here.
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????? The entire point of contention is over Love, so what is it then that you want to debate? My only disagreement with you is that you used a word that is often used to stir others to feelings of despair, depression and hopelessness, rather than words that reveal the nature and heart of a God whose love knows no bounds...and because of this disagreement, you argue with me then tell me you will not debate "Love". What then do you disagree with me on, and why are we still talking? You have used false witness against me, you have ignored me, you have lacked love toward me, you have insulted me and my covenant with God, shown pride in your posts, and a few other things, only to now come and say, you will no longer talk about what we disagree about...what then is your beef?
Start another thread, and if we can resolve your acceptance of scripture then maybe we will move on.
I'd love that, the last time I started a thread about Love no one was willing to talk...maybe I had a wrong board, what board do you think it should be on? Come join me here
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