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[Ron Reeder]

Some Dispensationalists claim that gentile Christians should ignore what Jesus said in the Gospels because it was for Jews/Israelites & not for gentiles. They say that gentiles should only read & heed what Paul wrote because God spoke to gentiles only through Paul. This lie is disproven by the following:

1 TIM. 6:
³ IF ANY man teach otherwise & CONSENT NOT TO wholesome words, even THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, & to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
⁴ HE IS proud, KNOWING NOTHING. But such worry about questions & strifes of words; whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
⁵ & perverse disputings of those with corrupt minds who are destitute of the truth & suppose that religion is a way to gain wealth. From such withdraw thyself.

Consider what Jesus commanded His Apostles & disciples AFTER the Cross:

MAT. 28:
¹⁹ Go therefore & make disciples of ALL NATIONS (that's GENTILES), baptizing them into the name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit;
²⁰ TEACHING THEM (GENTILES) TO vigilantly OBEY ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU (Christ's Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish Apostles & disciples). And lo, I am with you always, even until the end of the world.

So Christ's commands contained in the written Gospels are part of the Gospel & are also for gentiles.

MARK 13:10
And the GOSPEL must first be proclaimed TO ALL THE NATIONS (that's GENTILES).

MAT. 24:14
And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness UNTO ALL NATIONS (that's GENTILES), & then shall the end come.

1 CORINTHIANS 1:13
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Christ is not divided by dispensations. Neither can the Gospel of Christ be divided into dispensational ages because it is the "ETERNAL Gospel"(REVELATION 14:6)

Paul himself wrote:

HEBREWS 12:2
Looking to Jesus the AUTHOR & FINISHER of our faith;...

So Paul had nothing to add to the Gospel which Jesus preached.

GALATIANS 1:
⁶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,
⁷ which is not another. But there are some that trouble you, & would pervert the Gospel OF CHRIST. (NOT "of Paul")
⁸ But though WE, or an angel from heaven, should preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you; let him be ACCURSED. (By saying "we", Paul included himself among those who could possibly be accursed, thereby disproving Eternal Security in this lifetime.)
⁹ As we said before, so I say now again, If any man preacheth any other gospel to you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And what is the Gospel OF CHRIST?
The Gospel that Jesus Christ preached.

LUKE 20:1
And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as He (Jesus) was teaching the people in the temple & PREACHING THE GOSPEL; the chief priests & the scribes came to Him...

This is the only Gospel. And it is eternal (REV. 14:6). So it is always applicable to everyone & unchanged by any imaginary dispensations.

If there were any truth to "Mid-Acts/Paul Only Dispensationalism"; Paul's "dispensation/gospel" would have been exclusively to Greco-Roman pagan philosophers & polytheists, because that was his Gentile audience & converts. So it would be Paul's writings that don't apply to modern Christians, because none of them came from the Greco-Roman polytheistic background, since it has been extinct for about 1500 years.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

I haven't ever heard of it until today. I did an engine search to discover that what they believe is defined by the term hyper dispensationists.

I'd call it eisogesis- private interpretation that is taught as a valid doctrine.

 

[Dan Perez]

Some Dispensationalists claim that gentile Christians should ignore what Jesus said in the Gospels because it was for Jews/Israelites & not for gentiles. They say that gentiles should only read & heed what Paul wrote because God spoke to gentiles only through Paul. This lie is disproven by the following:

1 TIM. 6:
³ IF ANY man teach otherwise & CONSENT NOT TO wholesome words, even THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, & to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
⁴ HE IS proud, KNOWING NOTHING. But such worry about questions & strifes of words; whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
⁵ & perverse disputings of those with corrupt minds who are destitute of the truth & suppose that religion is a way to gain wealth. From such withdraw thyself.

Consider what Jesus commanded His Apostles & disciples AFTER the Cross:

MAT. 28:
¹⁹ Go therefore & make disciples of ALL NATIONS (that's GENTILES), baptizing them into the name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit;
²⁰ TEACHING THEM (GENTILES) TO vigilantly OBEY ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU (Christ's Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish Apostles & disciples). And lo, I am with you always, even until the end of the world.

So Christ's commands contained in the written Gospels are part of the Gospel & are also for gentiles.

MARK 13:10
And the GOSPEL must first be proclaimed TO ALL THE NATIONS (that's GENTILES).

MAT. 24:14
And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness UNTO ALL NATIONS (that's GENTILES), & then shall the end come.

1 CORINTHIANS 1:13
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Christ is not divided by dispensations. Neither can the Gospel of Christ be divided into dispensational ages because it is the "ETERNAL Gospel"(REVELATION 14:6)

Paul himself wrote:

HEBREWS 12:2
Looking to Jesus the AUTHOR & FINISHER of our faith;...

So Paul had nothing to add to the Gospel which Jesus preached.

GALATIANS 1:
⁶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,
⁷ which is not another. But there are some that trouble you, & would pervert the Gospel OF CHRIST. (NOT "of Paul")
⁸ But though WE, or an angel from heaven, should preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you; let him be ACCURSED. (By saying "we", Paul included himself among those who could possibly be accursed, thereby disproving Eternal Security in this lifetime.)
⁹ As we said before, so I say now again, If any man preacheth any other gospel to you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And what is the Gospel OF CHRIST?
The Gospel that Jesus Christ preached.

LUKE 20:1
And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as He (Jesus) was teaching the people in the temple & PREACHING THE GOSPEL; the chief priests & the scribes came to Him...

This is the only Gospel. And it is eternal (REV. 14:6). So it is always applicable to everyone & unchanged by any imaginary dispensations.

If there were any truth to "Mid-Acts/Paul Only Dispensationalism"; Paul's "dispensation/gospel" would have been exclusively to Greco-Roman pagan philosophers & polytheists, because that was his Gentile audience & converts. So it would be Paul's writings that don't apply to modern Christians, because none of them came from the Greco-Roman polytheistic background, since it has been extinct for about 1500 years.

Can you explain what ALL NATION // ETHOS means ??

And what does the word BAPTIZING means , since the Greek word WATER // HUDOR is not in the Greek text !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

I haven't ever heard of it until today. I did an engine search to discover that what they believe is defined by the term hyper dispensationists.

I'd call it eisogesis- private interpretation that is taught as a valid doctrine.

And there are b what b is called Hyper - Dispensational

And there Dispensational began at Acts 9

And some that says that DISPENSATIOALIST began in the book of ACTS

There are NOT , 7 DISPENSATIONS at ALL

Check and SEE ??

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And there are b what b is called Hyper - Dispensational

And there Dispensational began at Acts 9

And some that says that DISPENSATIOALIST began in the book of ACTS

That is where the term hyper dispensationists comes from. They erroneously decide their own place where a dispensation occurred.

There are NOT , 7 DISPENSATIONS at ALL

Check and SEE ??

dan p

Just because you say that doesn't mean that you're right.

I have checked and I've been taught from the Bible and I have seen that there are indeed 7 dispensations. the 7 dispensations in the Bible are Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and Kingdom. [from a random website out of many others who also list the same.]

What Are Dispensations in the Bible?​

Dispensationalism is a theological framework that understands God’s work and Biblical history as divided chronologically into dispensations.

According to this view, each dispensation is a period where God deals with humanity in a specific way as part of His progressive revelation.

Covenants play an important role in dispensationalism as well since they outline the agreements God makes with His people in each dispensation.

- - -

We are in a dispensation right now. The Church age / the age of Grace.

It's determined by the moed of Pentecost [50 days] after the resurrection of Jesus. The day of the pouring out of God's Spirit upon all 120 disciples who'd waited in the upper room for what Jesus called the promise of the Father.

It will continue until Jesus returns at what is called the rapture of the Church.

 

[Ron Reeder]

That is where the term hyper dispensationists comes from. They erroneously decide their own place where a dispensation occurred.

Just because you say that doesn't mean that you're right.

I have checked and I've been taught from the Bible and I have seen that there are indeed 7 dispensations. the 7 dispensations in the Bible are Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and Kingdom. [from a random website out of many others who also list the same.]

What Are Dispensations in the Bible?​

Dispensationalism is a theological framework that understands God’s work and Biblical history as divided chronologically into dispensations.


Covenants play an important role in dispensationalism as well since they outline the agreements God makes with His people in each dispensation.

- - -

We are in a dispensation right now. The Church age / the age of Grace.

It's determined by the moed of Pentecost [50 days] after the resurrection of Jesus. The day of the pouring out of God's Spirit upon all 120 disciples who'd waited in the upper room for what Jesus called the promise of the Father.

It will continue until Jesus returns at what is called the rapture of the Church.

Wrong. There are not 7 dispensational ages. The Pre-(7yr)Trib Rapture is a lie. You need to submit to the God-given & Christ-created authority of the ancient & original Orthodox Katholik Church; instead of listening to Protestants & Fundamentalists, who are lying heretics.

 

[Dan Perez]

That is where the term hyper dispensationists comes from. They erroneously decide their own place where a dispensation occurred.

Just because you say that doesn't mean that you're right.

I have checked and I've been taught from the Bible and I have seen that there are indeed 7 dispensations. the 7 dispensations in the Bible are Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and Kingdom. [from a random website out of many others who also list the same.]

What Are Dispensations in the Bible?​

Dispensationalism is a theological framework that understands God’s work and Biblical history as divided chronologically into dispensations.


Covenants play an important role in dispensationalism as well since they outline the agreements God makes with His people in each dispensation.

- - -

We are in a dispensation right now. The Church age / the age of Grace.

It's determined by the moed of Pentecost [50 days] after the resurrection of Jesus. The day of the pouring out of God's Spirit upon all 120 disciples who'd waited in the upper room for what Jesus called the promise of the Father.

It will continue until Jesus returns at what is called the rapture of the Church.

And I see you see that you never replied to POST # 3
>

# 1 There is no Greek for CHURCH // EKKLESIA as EK meaning , out of and KLESIS means A CALLING , means an ASSEMBLY

# 2 And there NO GREEK WORD for Rapture , EITHER , and check 1 Thess 4: 17

# 3 In 2 Thess 2:2 is the Greek word COMING / PARPUSIA back , called a gathering together unto Him .

# 4 No one should thoroughly deceive you in NOT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NEVER EVERrrrrr

one way , because EXCEPT the DEPARTURE should r revealed the son of DESTRUCTION , is why am PRI- TRI

# 5 The Greek word DISPENSATION // are found in Eph 1:10

# 6 Eph 3:2

# 7 Luke 16: 2 and 3

# 8 Col 1:25

# Tim 1:4 and what does this really mean ?????

# Eph 3::9 ///

not to bad for AAAA DIPSTICK


dan p

 

[Ron Reeder]

And I see you see that you never replied to POST # 3
>

# 1 There is no Greek for CHURCH // EKKLESIA as EK meaning , out of and KLESIS means A CALLING , means an ASSEMBLY

# 2 And there NO GREEK WORD for Rapture , EITHER , and check 1 Thess 4: 17

# 3 In 2 Thess 2:2 is the Greek word COMING / PARPUSIA back , called a gathering together unto Him .

# 4 No one should thoroughly deceive you in NOT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NEVER EVERrrrrr

one way , because EXCEPT the DEPARTURE should r revealed the son of DESTRUCTION , is why am PRI- TRI

# 5 The Greek word DISPENSATION // are found in Eph 1:10

# 6 Eph 3:2

# 7 Luke 16: 2 and 3

# 8 Col 1:25

# Tim 1:4 and what does this really mean ?????

# Eph 3::9 ///

not to bad for AAAA DIPSTICK


dan p

Just as when the Bible says: "camels", it isn't referring to a brand of cigarettes; whenever the Greek NT uses a Greek word that can be translated as the English word: "dispensation", it is not referring to Scofield's mythical time periods. There can't be an "age of Grace" because God's grace is as eternal as He is.
Since you have failed in your duty to submit to the authority of my superior scholarship, I will be putting you in "ignore" status so that I will not be bothered by your lies.

 

[Dan Perez]

Just as when the Bible says: "camels", it isn't referring to a brand of cigarettes; whenever the Greek NT uses a Greek word that can be translated as the English word: "dispensation", it is not referring to Scofield's mythical time periods. There can't be an "age of Grace" because God's grace is as eternal as He is.
Since you have failed in your duty to submit to the authority of my superior scholarship, I will be putting you in "ignore" status so that I will not be bothered by your lies.

Sorry tht you will not reply on OP 3 AND 8 or what you have written maybe what you have written is an

OXYMORON ??

dan p

 

[Guojing]

Consider what Jesus commanded His Apostles & disciples AFTER the Cross:

MAT. 28:
¹⁹ Go therefore & make disciples of ALL NATIONS (that's GENTILES), baptizing them into the name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit;
²⁰ TEACHING THEM (GENTILES) TO vigilantly OBEY ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU (Christ's Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish Apostles & disciples). And lo, I am with you always, even until the end of the world.

So Christ's commands contained in the written Gospels are part of the Gospel & are also for gentiles.

Do you follow what Jesus said in Luke 12:33?

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

>

# 1 There is no Greek for CHURCH // EKKLESIA as EK meaning , out of and KLESIS means A CALLING , means an ASSEMBLY

In Mat.16:18 the Greek is Ecclesia. I would venture to say without taking the time to look up each text, that it's the same throughout the New Testament.

# 2 And there NO GREEK WORD for Rapture , EITHER , and check 1 Thess 4: 17

That does not prevent Christians in using the word borrowed from the Latin Septugent to describe the Biblical event.

# 3 In 2 Thess 2:2 is the Greek word COMING / PARPUSIA back , called a gathering together unto Him .

That's right.

# 4 No one should thoroughly deceive you in NOT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NEVER EVERrrrrr

Ok.

one way , because EXCEPT the DEPARTURE should r revealed the son of DESTRUCTION , is why am PRI- TRI

I am pre-trib rapture too.

# 5 The Greek word DISPENSATION // are found in Eph 1:10

# 6 Eph 3:2

# 7 Luke 16: 2 and 3

# 8 Col 1:25

# Tim 1:4 and what does this really mean ?????

It means that the apostle Paul is not the only one who suffers for his faith in God.

That's all I will say because I prefer short replies.

# Eph 3::9 ///

not to bad for AAAA DIPSTICK


dan p

It's a derogatory word used by others who don't know how to address people politely.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Wrong. There are not 7 dispensational ages. The Pre-(7yr)Trib Rapture is a lie. You need to submit to the God-given & Christ-created authority of the ancient & original Orthodox Katholik Church; instead of listening to Protestants & Fundamentalists, who are lying heretics.

Wrong. All that I speak of is verified in the Bible. Nowhere in any Bible does it command that believers are to submit to the Katholik church. Neither does the Bible identify Protestants & Fundamentalists as lying heretics.

Your manner of appeal in no way convinces to convert.

 

[Dan Perez]

Just as when the Bible says: "camels", it isn't referring to a brand of cigarettes; whenever the Greek NT uses a Greek word that can be translated as the English word: "dispensation", it is not referring to Scofield's mythical time periods. There can't be an "age of Grace" because God's grace is as eternal as He is.
Since you have failed in your duty to submit to the authority of my superior scholarship, I will be putting you in "ignore" status so that I will not be bothered by your lies.

And I never put any one own on IGNORE and it is your choice , so happy trail to you

And maybe someone will read this !!

And there 8 times that Greek word DISPENSATION is found in in the bible .

# 1 IN Eph 1:10

# 2 In Eph 3:2

# 3 Col 1:25

# 4 Tim 1: 4

# 5 Luke 16:4

# 6 1 Cor 9:17

# 7 Luke 16:2

# 8 Luke 16:3

The Greek word DISPENSATION // OIKONOMIS , means OIKIKONOMIA , and OIKOS // and means LAW and NOMIA


means LAW , house law , or rule , management , dispentation , administration !!

dan p