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Disprove Calvinist Soteriology
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Aseyesee
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That is my point ... we have to believe we are listening to God for it to be this to us, like our footsteps becoming ordered to us when we believe that they are, or when we come to God (we must believe that he is).
Only God reveals God, there is no other way ...
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Jesus started a Church. Don't we listen to Jesus by listening to those he sent?
1 John 4
6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
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Faith and belief are the same thing. So you are saying they have no belief in God (the definition of a non-believer), but they still ask Him to give them belief.
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I have seen those who appear as, and believe they were angels of light ... (though I don't believe this to be out of order).
If we bring it down to a single thought for ourselves though (all outside company excluded) how do you know it is God, isn't it because you believe that it is?
Peter thought he was right when to him the all flesh he spoke of, when the day of pentecost had fully come) only meant the Jews, at one point Paul even withstood him over the finer points of this issue of blood.
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Yes, it is very common for those without belief to seek God. God's grace reaches out to all of us.
24“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us
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Nowhere does that passage say that those who don't believe in God pray and ask for belief.
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I guess that Jesus wasn't aware of such:
“And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is NOT given.” Matt 13:10-11
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I know what the verse says. What I'm saying is that it doesn't say what you said it said, which is that those who don't believe in God will pray to him so that they will believe.
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For synergism to work, the Trinity must be divided in purpose.
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