Brian Mcnamee
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Hi i have been a pro dispensationalist in this thread and noted no one ever was or ever will be saved apart from the redemption of the blood of Jesus Christ. The dispensation or as Hebrews calls it the ages to come is a period of time such as pre flood and then up until Jesus and then the church age and soon to be the kingdom age followed by the new heaven and new Jerusalem. The prophecies show that Israel will be saved by faith in Jesus Christ and they will confess Him as LORD. The return of the sacrifices are coming and they are not acceptable as a means of forgiveness but the next temple will be the stage for the abomination of desolation. It appears that some sacrifices described in Ezekiel's temple may be done in memorial or for ceremonial reasons much like how we celebrate communion. There are many distinctions between Jew and Gentile in the post day of the LORD world. Both will still be around. Read Isaiah 61 and see what is accomplished in the day of vengeance of God. As I have already noted Jer 31 speaks of Jerusalem being rebuilt at a time when dead bodies are everywhere and from that time on it will not be thrown down again. If you compare Zech 14, Dan 7 Rev Joel and Hosea they all describe a time when Jerusalem is being overrun when the kingdom comes. This will be the time when it is rebuilt and the time when the Jews gathered back to the mountains of Israel in Eze 36 will no more be the reproach of the nations. It will be when Hosea said to those whom God called not his people that they should be called the sons of the living God.You would be wrong.
From the Wiki article titled "Dispensationalism":
"Dispensationalism developed as a system from the teachings of Joh Darby, considered by some to be the father of dispensationalism (1800–82), who strongly influenced the Plymouth Brethren of the 1830s in Ireland and England. The original concept came when Darby considered the implications of Isaiah 32 for Israel. He saw that prophecy required a future fulfillment and realization of Israel's kingdom. The New Testament church was seen as a separate program not related to that kingdom. Thus arose a prophetic earthly kingdom program for Israel and a separate 'mystery' heavenly program for the church. In order to not conflate the two programs, the prophetic program had to be put on hold to allow for the church to come into existence. Then it is necessary for the church to be raptured away before prophecy can resume its earthly program for Israel"
Dispensationalists say there is only one means of salvation: that which comes through faith in Christ but when the logical consequences of the two-part dispensational system that asserts one plan for Israel and another for the church is considered it results in a different means of salvation for the Jew than for everyone else. Israel must go through the tribulation and before that happens they must be reconstituted as a geo-political nation-state and that nation-state will necessarily begin practicing the OT Law again, including the re-institution of animal sacrifices. That is in fact what Dispensationalism teaches will happen.
All of that is works. AND it is pre-faith in Christ works. They won't come to faith in Christ before such events according to DPism.
So while Dispensationalists say there is only one means of salvation the logically necessary conclusion of their theology proves otherwise. And this problem has been brought to their attention repeatedly and they deny it.
I hesitate to rcommend this book because I don't want anyone learning bad theology but Lewis Sperry Chafer's book titled "Dispensationalism" is the best of the bunch. Chafer is the founder and first president of Dallas Theological Seminary. His book is much, much better than Charles Caldwell Ryrie's book with the same title. Ryrie is Chafer's successor at DTS and he's the one who set John Walvoord as president of DTS after him. Chafer's book is better than Walvoord's. It's better than Pentecost's. Chafer at least cited scripture every step of the way and attempted a methodical explanation of DP theology.
The problem with all of these guys is that when you look up the Bible verses they cite the Bible verses don't state what they say the verses say. It's very shoddy exegesis. It is eisegesis.
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The New testament states quite plainly Abraham heard the gospel.
Galatians 3:8 NAS
"The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, 'All nations will be blessed in you.'"
And Paul explains to us that Israel was not the "seed" to which God was referring when He covenanted with Abraham.
Galatians 3:16 NAS
"Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as referring to many, but rather to one, 'And to your seed,' that is, Christ."
Christ, not Israel, is the means by which Abraham would be the father of many nations. That is what the text states, not what I made it say. Here's the larger passage,
Galatians 3:2-18 ESV
"Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.' Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for 'The righteous shall live by faith.' But the law is not of faith, rather 'The one who does them shall live by them.' Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, 'And to offsprings,' referring to many, but referring to one, 'And to your offspring,' who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise."
The reason Dispensationalism is called Dispensationalism is because it asserts dispensations and it asserts these dispensations are distinct ways God dealt with humanity. Abraham didn't have the Mosaic Law and the Promised Land Hebrews did while those of the church living in the church age have still a different dispensation, a different economy, a different means of relating to God. Prior to Darby all of Christendom understood the ECF's mention of "dispensations" to uniformly occur in the context of the Bible's covenants and the church uniformly understood the covenants to be a progressive and cohesive single revelation. Darby departed from all of that.
So you say you can't imagine they teach such stuff but they do. Dispensational Premillennialism does not teach dual salvation overtly but it is inherent in the details of their eschatology. The Jew must jump through one bunch of hoops and the Gentiles another. Fundamentally it is two means to faith in Christ which is - whether they want to admit it or not - two means of salvation.
Luke 2 Jesus is promised to deliver Israel form their enemies to a day where they will worship without fear in holiness all the days of their lives. This is post trib into the millennium.
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life. Those chapters of the coming kingdom I mentioned provide this exact deliverance for the nation and their conversion by faith in Jesus.
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