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Interesting, but the question at hand is, do you feel that sexual orientation is a choice? Can you decide to change your sexual orientation like you would decide what to have for breakfast?Go to prison. Many perfectly heterosexual people chose to have sex simply because they want the relationship. Especially in female camps where it is regular practice to for same sex families with a defined Mom, Dad, and kids. When they get out they stay "straight".
What did I say to that? You really need to pay attention (I am counting, that's the third time I said that). I am already tired of you.I did not say to change over three days, I said for the next three days. Does it take you more than three days to decide what to have for breakfast?
Do you know of how to get a copy of the original article? This assessment raises questions. I wonder if anyone actually understands how genetics supposedly "shows that genetic factors are partly responsible for the trait" and "is accounted for by genetics". These are the sorts of statements that I like to be assured are reliable.
Look, there is no need to make it any more complicated than it needs to be. Do you think there is a single person who cannot be brain washed? I reckon there isn't. But some will need to be handled differently than others, to obtain the required result.
You said that you would need more than three days to affect this change, if you could do it at all.What did I say to that?
What gives you the impression that I am not paying attention?You really need to pay attention (I am counting, that's the third time I said that).
Am I here to entertain you?I am already tired of you.
False cause. I believe if He is absolutely powerful (I believe this is most likely true), He can, but that He hasn't, indicates that He has decided not to do it. But He might, and I believe He has said He will.
I know that strong beliefs and feelings can be changed, and I suppose you will agree. What I am really questioning is whether strong beliefs and feelings ever can't be changed no matter what. Especially since they have been developed in the first place from an absence of them.The more strongly someone believes in or feels about something, the harder it would be to counteract that sense.
Good. So, the question was still not answered:So the god you believe is powerful enough to have created a world where there was no suffering. And you agree with me that If your god's end goal necessitates children suffering, then your god ceases to be omnibenevolent. So either:
A. Your god isn't omnibenevolent based on an end goal that involves children necessarily suffering.
B. Your god isn't omnibenevolent based on allowing unnecessary suffering that isn't part of an end goal.
I'm glad we're in agreement...
I know that strong beliefs and feelings can be changed, and I suppose you will agree. What I am really questioning is whether strong beliefs and feelings ever can't be changed no matter what. Especially since they have been developed in the first place from an absence of them.
Yes, I do. Other's don't, and that is what I am questioning.You state you understand strong beliefs can be changed and then the next sentence, you question whether strong beliefs every can't be changed?
Do you believe that strong beliefs can change over time or not?
Yes, I do. Other's don't, and that is what I am questioning.
Thanks. Would you be willing to address a question I asked of Davian that he has ignored? I think that while Davian has some ability to ask good questions, he has a natural desire to duck questions. Besides being a personally rude thing to do, it actually prevents the truth leading us to where we should go. I think thoughtful conversation is not his interest, but I know you are different to him.Of course beliefs can change, as long as each person gets to a point, where they can no longer reconcile their previous belief any longer and they move on.
I was a Christian for 40 years, so I changed my belief and did so because I acquired new knowledge as time went on, and I could no longer reconcile my belief as being legitimate. Changes like this don't happen overnight, but are typically a slow burn of recognizing a prior belief to be wrong and also when that person is willing to give up the previous belief, from a psychological standpoint. This process happens in a complex way and much of it is not by choice and not a conscious choice.
People with strong beliefs when faced with evidence their belief may be wrong will not immediately accept they are wrong, but will utilize defense mechanisms to protect the belief; denial, confirmation bias etc.. Why? Because when it is too painful to admit your belief may be wrong, your psyche will work to protect it, to ward of this discomfort. With some (as with me) the evidence became so overwhelming that my belief was wrong, it would have been more painful to pretend I could ignore this new knowledge and play mind games with myself and it was less painful to give up the belief and acknowledge well evidenced reality.
Can you please explain why you think these are different things?Davian said:Ultimately meaningless. If I choose to live a small, windowless box, with no outside contact with the world, it will affect most, if not all of my beliefs. But, the subject was sexual orientation, not beliefs.
Thanks. Would you be willing to address a question I asked of Davian that he has ignored? I think that while Davian has some ability to ask good questions, he has a natural desire to duck questions. Besides being a personally rude thing to do, it actually prevents the truth leading us to where we should go. I think thoughtful conversation is not his interest, but I know you are different to him.
Can you please explain why you think these are different things?
I know that strong beliefs and feelings can be changed, and I suppose you will agree. What I am really questioning is whether strong beliefs and feelings ever can't be changed no matter what. Especially since they have been developed in the first place from an absence of them.
Duplicate.. grrr, new website is too clever
Good. So, the question was still not answered:
Do you know how He could achieve this [a world "in which no one molests children", but that where children are beautiful and people love them] in a way that is different than what He has done, with no compromise to the end goal?
Edit: and if so, please explain it.
How do you know this? Do you read minds?Thanks. Would you be willing to address a question I asked of Davian that he has ignored? I think that while Davian has some ability to ask good questions, he has a natural desire
Which questions might those have been?to duck questions.
Who is the arbiter of truth in these forums?Besides being a personally rude thing to do, it actually prevents the truth leading us to where we should go.
Can you refrain from the personal attacks?I think thoughtful conversation is not his interest, but I know you are different to him.
No. For that I would need to reference scientific literature, of which you have granted little credence to in the past.Can you please explain why you think these are different things?
Not so much entertainment, but practice material. In real life I do not encounter any religionists, or any to speak of, and being here is a chance for me to interact, and observe. I trust that you are here on a voluntary basis.Honestly, no. I think you are here to be entertained by me.
Ok, thanks. Do you believe that omnipotence is a realistic idea? Ie, can you have a cake and eat it too?I don't know. I'm not omnipotent.
It seems that of all the omnipotent-y things a deity could do, creating the universe so that no one has the desire to molest children would be pretty trivial. Most people don't molest children. There's something different in the brains of people who do. So... eliminate the possibility that that difference can occur.
But I'm not omnipotent, so I don't know the specifics.
I'm just glad that we both agree that if a deity exists, it isn't all good. It was really the point of the whole exercise.
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