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Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.I think we understand what you believe, but this sort of theology just rings hollow with some and they don't buy it. You do understand that, don't you?
Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.
If you can't stop sinning you're a slave to sin.
God's forgiveness and demand to obey Him is much easier to accept for people who are not so good.
If I don't serve Him I serve the devil, really.
I was in a sinful relationship, I got totally insane, the devil could haunt me because I served him by sinning.
God saying you need to obey Him is like a parent telling a kid not to take candy from a stranger.
I can't explain to you, but trust me kid, don't do that.
It's still the same old lie as in Genesis. God is evil.
Do what you want to do yourself.
Oh, that's impossible, now you served satan.
I know which one I prefer if I have to choose between obeying God or satan.
Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.
Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.
That was your message 666 to her message 7777 ?
Yes. Just like how God forgave Adam and Eve.. Oh wait, that's right... He didn't just forgive them, but instead punished every single descendant that came after.God is not a big fluffy teddy bear that is all sugar coated rainbows and hugs. There are some Christians that might preach this, but then they're changing the Bible to fit them instead of changing themselves to fit the Bible. God is just like an earthly parent who wants His children to obey. Just like a parent has a need for discipline when it comes to a child's obedience, the same applies to the big picture. We are children of God regardless of your belief, and you are not exempt from making mistakes regardless of how 'good' you think you are. If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness?
What is there to accept? Actually it is up to them to accept my apology or not.When they forgive you, do you then not except it?
Where is the evidence that such a father exists. Why should I feel like I'm letting someone down if they've never shown themselves to be present in my life, ever? I'm not going to ask for forgiveness from someone I don't believe exists for something I don't think I did. I don't feel the least bit guilty about it either.What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?
But He loves them, don't forget that..God's wrath is real, and it will pour out on those who refuse to accept his forgiveness.
What kind of God feels jealousy? And jealous of what? It will be heartbreaking when my niece no longer looks up to her uncle but I would never think to punish her because of that. Why would God treat us that way?God is a jealous God, and He does not want us worshiping anything over Him.
Is the universe false? I believe in that.If you do not believe in Him, than you believe in something else. A false idol.
Food?? Seriously, dude? FOOD? Do you not eat? I can't take you seriously when you include nourishment in a list of "false idols" along with money and celebrities.The new false idols of this world are money, property, self, food, celebrities, etc.
I love life and I love my family. I am thankful for the time I've been given in this universe and the time and place in which I live in and that is more than enough for me. For some, that is not enough, and I pity them.When we love something worldly more than God we are living in sin. We must love God, each other, and put our faith in Him. He has chosen us, and we should be thankful. Follow the rules of the loving parent who created us, and remain obedient to the Word of God. "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." (1 Peter 2:15-16)
Wut ? He was right about all of it of course.Loominaty
Weirdly he was actually right about the 10:58 being 47
5-1 = 4
8-1 = 7
Not sure if that was the intent but it was funny
Well I would hope the loving parents weren't the ones who created such a horrible place for their child to go.At a far away distance, there is a place called Hell. A rebelling child set up his mind and insisted to go there. What can the loving parents do?
That's good for you. Just an example of being a slave: being addicted to smoking and wanting to stop, but not able to. I know atheists who just stopped, but I couldn't without God's help. Lol and they don't have that sign for female anymore.I serve no one with my life. I am no slave.
And I don't buy this snake oil you're selling, my good sir. Seems dubious.
No I said I was no good when I didn't serve Him.Are you claiming that I am no good? I am death itself. I am the highest good.
Let's say I wasn't really normal and friendly when I didn't serve Him. I really hated a lot of people. When I got saved that was the first thing that had changed.Wait what.
Well if hell is like they say God is not there torturing anyone. It's the kingdom of the dude with the nice looking fruit who's an expert in lying.Honestly with this supposed parent who'll murder me on a whim or torture me eternally for victimless and even thought crime, I'd feel so much safer with the dude in the van. Gotta tell ya.
He proved that He loves you by dying for you. How do you know the dude with the candy is so nice? How did he prove that?Again. This supposed parent hates my very existence and can't wait to kill me. "Hello yes, sir with the candy, I'll go with you now."
If He hadn't taken the punishment of sin Himself to reconcile us with Him I would agree. I've never seen a sadistic narcissistic sadist letting himself get killed for someone. I believe it was protection that they died so they could be saved and that He couldn't have known that Lucifer would become such a monster and invent sin. The demons became so bad and never had a chance to reconcile with Him, but man has.He's pretty darn good at setting people up for failure, framing them as their fault, and then punishing them because he's narcissistic and a sadist. These are straight up predatory behaviors. Not to mention abusive.
By sinning Adam thought he could be like God and do what he wanted himself but he served the devil. Sinning is doing what he wants.What are you talking about?
Who needs logic when you have faith? I don't know know how electricity works, but I have faith the lights will turn on when I flip the switch.Its like love, since there are so many variations on how it's explained by the paucity of language, it must just be imaginary. So much for logic.
That's good for you. Just an example of being a slave: being addicted to smoking and wanting to stop, but not able to. I know atheists who just stopped, but I couldn't without God's help.
Who needs logic when you have faith? I don't know know how electricity works, but I have faith the lights will turn on when I flip the switch.
Well I would hope the loving presents weren't the ones who created such a horrible place for their child to go.
Faith is hope in the unseen. If you've seen the lights come on, and they have a track record of working it's no longer faith.This where I think many believers and non believers simply use the term "faith" differently. Believers to me, tend to use the term faith much more often, when I personally don't believe the term applies.
To me, having faith means when you are banking on hope and if you are banking on hope, that would mean you don't possess evidence to support the position, so it requires this hope and faith.
When I turn on the light switch, I "trust" it is going to go on, because I have an objective track record of it doing so. Just as, I trust the sun will come up tomorrow and my car will start in the morning. All of these, have objective track records and reasons to indicate they will happen.
On faith, I have faith my favorite team will win the world series in the next few years, even though they haven't for over 100.
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