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Could you be specific on how the sermon differs?
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5.htm
If you would stop trying to prove a point, you might be able to see this "unverifiable" evidence. The whole problem here is you have to actually do action to find this prof. Research, study, observance. You cant just pop on a forum and demand it. The other thing is your going about it the wrong way. Quite simply, your asking individuals that know about this field of study and are telling them their wrong. If all you have is an ascertain that God is not real, than all you have is you have is your own personal opinion, based on your own personal experience. There is evidence, but you have to personally look for it. That being said, it is safe to say that these truths are only reviled to those who want to find them. To think you have to somehow accept Jesus Christ in-order to get prof of him is ridiculous. How would any one that ever doubted and got saved, be saved if the unbeliever could not find truth? You would first have to be willing to find the truth. Then you have to seek it.You missed the point. It's not even about God, it's about unverifiable claims and who the burden of proof lies on. You can certainly say Santa isn't real but can you prove it?
And the burden of proof lies on you to convince a non-christian of that
Your analogy assumes that you don't have wings and that you are making a false claim. This makes it a strawman.
But my question was actually that LostMarbels has said he believes Jesus is God's Word, and acknowledges Him as his worthy King. You have said that LostMarbels has some burden of proof to convince a non-Christian of that. I said that I don't think LostMarbels has any burden of proof for such a thing, as he is allowed to believe what he wants and doesn't need to convince anyone else to agree. I just wonder why you think he is obligated to convince you. Can you please explain that?
That is fine..... See you in the next one. Hope you see how the burden of prof is not my own now. Latters.It confuzzles me that this circle just keeps going. I'm dizzy and underrested. I'm now gonna discontinue.
Let's say you want to find out if a Chupacabra is real. So, you go out to where they have supposedly been spotted, looking for one.That is fine..... See you in the next one. Hope you see how the burden of prof is not my own now. Latters.
I honestly like this response and thank you for the time it took to write it. It is well written and quite elegantly stated.Let's say you want to find out if a Chupacabra is real. So, you go out to where they have supposedly been spotted, looking for one.........
This isn't always due to "I don't care anymore,", rather this can often just cut through the myriad of voices and begin to see who may actually have something substantial to offer.
Freedom of assembling deadly weaponry casually is not the same as restricting one's speech, association or movement. It is also not the same as punishing someone for what they think.What I am driving at is why this is wrong. Surely that if someone is likely to harm others, then the freedom of information that will enable them to make weapons should be restricted.
Not at the price of my personal liberty, no. Some things are more important than GDP per capita.Yet the same information could be accessed safely by someone who for instance needs to make explosives for construction. The point being, is an authoritative government capable of having your support, if we assume the government is perfect (which we should suppose is not possible in any government that a human is in charge of).
You're against me having free speech after I die.That is your opinion. Why can you not see that? I just don't agree with you. But I completely believe this is your live to live as you so chose.
So you concede the point: You're not in favour of free speech. You believe it just for God to torture me for what I think.Being Christian wont save you either. You have to accept Jesus Christ, not the religion. I'm not being difficult here either for the sake of argument. The bible clearly states allot of churchy people will go to hell because they only practiced religion, and did not accept Jesus.
But yes, I find God just. If you do not accept him hell is waiting.
What Jesus is saying is that simply becoming a believer/followers [the sheep] does not necessarily grant you salvation.Nor does not being a believer/ follower [a goat] exclude you from salvation.We will all be judged on how we live our lives regardless. Some organised Christian groups understand this sermon [the liberal Quakers for example] but most do not. Jesus may have contradicted or been unclear on this earlier but this was his last judgement on the matter so the most important. The evangelicals are well intentioned but are also wrong.
Why?
Why should someone be punished for trusting in an untrue God?
I wasn't going off the notion that God is unapproachable ... it seems to me you are going off the notion that others who look to the one making the claim to provide evidence have themselves not done any "approaching". Let me explain: in my example with the Chupacabra I included different people who concluded different things based on different results. Some went looking and found something, some found nothing, etc. Lots of people who went looking came to various conclusions.I honestly like this response and thank you for the time it took to write it. It is well written and quite elegantly stated.
One sec... time to get some Dubstep going......
Ok, While your point is elegantly made in you post your still going on the notion that God is unapproachable. God is not some mythical beast that needs to be caught or captured to prove his existence. He is sitting on the edge of his chair waiting for you to honestly ask him. The only difficult part of finding God, is taking the step, of taking a notion of Jesus serious enough to ask him. That's it. All you need is enough desire to take Jesus serious enough to approach him.
You're against me having free speech after I die.
So you concede the point: You're not in favour of free speech. You believe it just for God to torture me for what I think.
And so take a person who has looked for 30 years, trying with all they knew to "come directly to Him", etc. And they have not come upon anything they recognize as being "God" or what anyone has claimed for that matter. And now they meet you, and you are saying such things to them. Who is the one making the claims ... God, or you ?And I love this.......
This is God's point exactly! Instead of listening to "the myriad of voices", God requires you to come directly to him for any information about him. God gives you the evidence. God reveals truth about himself. And only God will, and can convince you of his validity.
I do not see how it is just an opinion. If someone supported the overthrow of democracy in favour of fascism and I told them they were in favour of authoritarian government would that just be "my opinion"?That is you opinion, and I am OK with that.
That is you opinion, and I am OK with that. However, I concede nothing. It is your right to chose to believe what you wish, and lead your life as you so chose.
Yes, God IS just, and I condone his actions by my free will in my decision that his Word is true.
(Joh 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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