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Dismantling theistic evolution with 10 questions

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Karl - Liberal Backslider

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bluejeans said:
Excuse me,but you realy need to get some good books based on reality
instead of the fiction you are into. Yes,reality books cost more,but they
are worth every dollar.

They do indeed. A good evolution text book costs tens of pounds; Henry Morris' long discredited nonsense is cheap.

Henry Morris is a great author who is more than
willing to help you out.
Nearly every argument he used in "The Genesis Flood" is now on AiG's "Do not use" list of arguments - in other words, his arguments there are long debunked and the more informed and canny creationists have given up using such flimsy evidence.
 
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Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
But the biggest religious group of evolution accepters in the West are Christians. That's what your position can't deal with.
:clap: That is all wrong. We know that evolution came from ancient pagan
religions. We believe it's going to be part of the global religion called
inter-faithism. I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers,but look at what
some of you post on your messages. Has anyone reported it yet?
 
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bluejeans said:
:clap: That is all wrong. We know that evolution came from ancient pagan
religions.
No, you don't 'know' any such thing. Can you find any reference to common descent through natural selection as framed by Darwin prior to the nineteenth century?

We believe it's going to be part of the global religion called
inter-faithism.
Who's this "we"? And what has a biological theory to do with global religion?

I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers,but look at what
some of you post on your messages. Has anyone reported it yet?
They're at liberty to do so if they think I break the rules. I call a spade a spade and sometimes people object to that. The difference is that I can call on evidence to demonstrate that a spade is, indeed, a spade.
 
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[/b]They do indeed. A good evolution text book costs tens of pounds; Henry Morris' long discredited nonsense is cheap.


Nearly every argument he used in "The Genesis Flood" is now on AiG's "Do not use" list of arguments - in other words, his arguments there are long debunked and the more informed and canny creationists have given up using such flimsy evidence.

:wave: Thats false again. Henry Morris is very well respected and he is
one of the best researchers around. He's on icr.org and there is a
whole list of scientists with their pictures and information about them
listed also. He also shows great references and material that can be
researched by anyone who wants to learn.
Dave Hunt is another good one. Josh McDowell,an ex atheist is excellent also. Stay away from the fiction section if you can.
 
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bluejeans said:
:wave: Thats false again. Henry Morris is very well respected
Only by creationists - i.e. a very tiny group within science.

and he is
one of the best researchers around.


And how many research papers has he published in the last ten years?

He's on icr.org and there is a
whole list of scientists with their pictures and information about them listed also.

All of whom have signed ICRs basis of faith, thereby promising to always come up with a creationist interpretation no matter what the evidence is. To the extent they do that, they are not scientists. But moreover, do you know how many scientists there are in the world. Do you know what proportion buy into young earth creationism to any degree?

He also shows great references and material that can be
researched by anyone who wants to learn.

Mene, mene, tekel, parsin
Dave Hunt is another good one. Josh McDowell,an ex atheist is excellent also. Stay away from the fiction section if you can.
I do. But what you mean is "stay away from mainstream science". Because you know full well that anyone who really understands the evidence is compelled to accept evolution, and that can't be allowed at any cost.
 
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bluejeans said:
:groupray: By everyone who has ever read his material and looked
into the subject,amen.

Except for the "unbelievers and scoffers" that have read his "material" and found it utter nonsense, of course...

[source: a rescension of his book "The long war against God" on Amazon]
If I were a Christian, I would be deeply embarrassed by Morris's habitual errors of fact and logic, and above all, by his seething hostility toward scientists and any field of study that challenges his own beliefs.

From beginning to end, this book is a ranting, almost maniacal, tirade against the theory of evolution, which Morris attacks so strenuously that he apparently neglects to cast a critical eye toward his argument. Morris's assertion that evolution is the root of all evil (almost literally) is simplistic and riddled with logical errors. For example, Morris states adnauseam that evolution was central to Nazi doctrine, which he offers as proof that it is "Satan's lie," and the cause of everything from pornography to the dissolution of the nuclear family. Curiously, Morris is not equally troubled by hideous misapplication of Christian doctrine throughout history. Similarly, Morris attacks evolution by pointing to mystical beliefs that predate it, yet he exempts Christianity from the same scrutiny.

Remarkably, Morris fails to demonstrate even the most rudimentary understanding of evolution, offering only naive interpretations and superficial historical facts about Darwin (Morris's devil incarnate). Morris's "science" is so sophomoric he appears to fabricate it on the fly, never pausing to analyze it, or even to check fundamental definitions. For instance, Morris asserts that evolution "...goes squarely against the second law of thermodynamics." However, the 2'nd law applies only to "closed" systems, and therefore to none of Morris's scenarios. Morris also asserts that the "...study of biology shows no evidence whatever of evolution occurring in the present,..." which is such a muddle it's difficult to interpret. Is he unaware of 20'th century biology? Would he expect to see speciation happening before his eyes? Perhaps a more earnest writer could use such a statement to launch a deeper discussion, but for Morris it is the argument in toto.

To counterbalance Morris's view, I urge both theists and atheists to read Robert Wright's book, "The Moral Animal." The contrast between Morris and Wright is so extreme at several levels that you will find it entertaining if not deeply informative

But those opinions don´t count, as we all know, because they are just evil unbelievers.


Gee, these are the times I wish to be a Creationist. What bliss it must be to know that all who disagree with me are by definition wrong!
 
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