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Hmm, this is an interesting subject.

Would you say that your own upbringing influences your view here?

I was raised in a single parent family, my mother never really put any boundries and restrictions on me. I did what I liked and really, when I liked too. My mother was more like a freind than a parent.

While I dont nessecerily agree fully with her casual approach to parenting, I liked the fact I could talk to her as a freind. I feel it certainly helped me deal with problems in my life a lot more easily that I could talk to my mother as a freind other than a parent. If she had been a strict authority figure (like my grandather was when I temporarily stayed with my grandparents) I would not have been able to talk to her as easily as I had.
 
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Hmm, this is an interesting subject.

Would you say that your own upbringing influences your view here?
I honestly try to stay unbiased as much as I can on issues, and use the information that is relative to the subject. Of course my upbringing subconsciously affects my interpretation of things, though.

My mother was pretty strict, but my dad is very laid back. My parents divorced when i was around 13 or 14. I chose to stay with my dad, since my mom was the one leaving. She died a year later, so I spent most of my teenage years with my fathers influence. He took a very laid back approach, actually too laid back to be honest. He should've stepped in on certain decisions that I made for my life, as I thought I knew the best for me at the time but in retrospect I regret some of my actions. For instance, I dropped out of school in 11th grade, he should've moved heaven and earth pushing me back in, but he let me do it. I knew he didn't approve of it, but we never really vocalized our feelings to each other either. I think he might've felt that I was still dealing with my mothers death, which was evident from my grades and class levels dropping down from honor roll and advanced classes throughout high school. So perhaps thats why he didn't push it so much, but I wish he would have.

All in all he is still the best I can ask for, and although we are all far from perfect, he did a good parenting job.

I want my children to know they can talk to me about anything, and I'm going to strive to be as open with them as possible, so that they can try to relate to me. But in turn with that, I still will keep them in line with what is acceptable and what isn't, and most importantly, why it isn't. I'm not going to force them to be religious, either. I speak in future tense because my children are all very young right now, so I can just imagine how it'll be when they hit their teen's.
 
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Why should public schools teach your morality over other people's? You want to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else through the state? I think that doing so would be immoral.
 
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My father taught me to think for myself, to be kind and generous with everyone, to be honest, to reject discrimination and prejudice, and to read and learn.

My father would have turned 87 today, had he lived this long. He died this past May. I miss him so.
 
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There you go with that bearing false witness against good parents.
Why would good and moral parents teach their children that bigotry is morally acceptable?

Good moral parents will teach their kids that God identifies homosexual and heterosexual fornication as sin, and that those different people who CHOOSE to fornicate are committing sin.
Why would good and moral parents lie about something like that?

And if that's your idea of hate, then hate it be.
No it’s a universally accepted notion of hate
 
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You teach your children that hating people because they are different is morally acceptable? That it prejudice because of religion and skin color is A-OKAY?
I fail to see how interpreting the Bible as teaching that same-sex sexual relationships are sinful is now regarded as hate. I do not promote hate of or discrimination against any homosexual person. I believe that homosexual people should have all the same human and civil rights as a heterosexual person has, including the right to life, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality, and all the same civil privileges as any heterosexual person has, including the right to vote, marry someone of the opposite gender, the right to protest, freedom of association, and freedom to participate in government. comparisons to racial discrimination of the kind experienced by my mother, grandmother, and all of their relatives since white invasion of Australia, are completely invalid. when you can name one homosexual person who was (officially and legally) refused the right to vote on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to drink alcohol on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to protest or associate on the basis of sexuality, when one such instance can be produced of official and legal sexuality-based discrimination, i will agree with comparisons to racial discrimination.

if anything, I see homosexuality as a gift from God, not something to hate people on the basis of.
 
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Gay people were regularly refused the right to associate on the basis of "homosexuality." The police used to raid gay bars all the time and arrest the people inside. That's what led to the Stonewall Rebellion.

Gay people used to be arrested simply for associating. Gay people also used to be arrested for having intimate relations in their own homes. Ask Michael Bowers of Georgia about this, or Mr. Lawrence who lives in Texas. Both men were arrested for having sex with their partner in their own home, and both men challenged the arrest in court and took their cases all the way to the Supreme Court.
 
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see my reply in the other thread
 
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UnBiblical. God places the responsibility of raising kids in his way on the shoulders of the parents.

Morality hinders upon what God says and our obedience/disobedience to what he says.
 
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Why should public schools teach your morality over other people's?

Why should they teach immorality?

You want to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else through the state? I think that doing so would be immoral.

And some of yall want the immorality of the ways f homosexuals and transexuals taught in schools.
 
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Why would good and moral parents teach their children that bigotry is morally acceptable?

Good moral parents will teach their kids what God's Word says and that they are to align themselves with HIM.
And HIS WORD identifies these homosexual acts as sin. And if you believe that makes parents bigots to teach their kids this, oh well.

Why would good and moral parents lie about something like that?

They've got God's WOrd to back it up. What do you have?


No it’s a universally accepted notion of hate

On last check me and my millions of God's Word affirming Brothers and Sisters and Christ were part of the universe.
 
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UnBiblical. God places the responsibility of raising kids in his way on the shoulders of the parents.

Morality hinders upon what God says and our obedience/disobedience to what he says.
So if you have a question, you just open your Bible like the baseball rule book and find your answer. And there it is.....the Bible tells you what to think, so you don't have to think for yourself.

Are you a parent? It's not an easy job, my friend, and no rule book can tell us how to do it.
 
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So if you have a question, you just open your Bible like the baseball rule book and find your answer. And there it is.....the Bible tells you what to think, so you don't have to think for yourself.

The Bible says 5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight Proverbs 3:5-6

If you are a Christian leaning on His infinite knowledge and understanding rather than your own, YEP, take it to Him and His Word.

Are you a parent? It's not an easy job, my friend, and no rule book can tell us how to do it

God was FATHER before you were a mother.
 
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Are YOU a father? That is the question I asked you. You are not God, and you don't speak for God.
 
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God's Word says speaks nothing against homosexuals.
 
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