Discussion

[HaloHope]

I understand your point. It's good for children to know the different ups and downs and ins and outs, when they are ready. Morality needs to be instilled by parents, because if it isn't, then it will be instilled by something/someone else. Thanks to television, even inanimate objects can be where they find their moral roots (hope you have the channel locks on lolol). And also there is peer influence, which tends to override morality at times, and if the child doesn't have any moral guideline from their parents, its anything goes.

There is one major difficulty with your approach, I've tried it, and there has got to be a parent/child boundary in place. It's much easier to be a friend, but if you care about your child's future and wellbeing then you have to know when to draw the line between friendship and parental responsibility.

Children are very self centered, even from birth. They are very instinctual, so the common theme is "memememe". If they are never taught to move past that, then they will have much difficulty with social interaction, as well as learning humility.

Hmm, this is an interesting subject.

Would you say that your own upbringing influences your view here?

I was raised in a single parent family, my mother never really put any boundries and restrictions on me. I did what I liked and really, when I liked too. My mother was more like a freind than a parent.

While I dont nessecerily agree fully with her casual approach to parenting, I liked the fact I could talk to her as a freind. I feel it certainly helped me deal with problems in my life a lot more easily that I could talk to my mother as a freind other than a parent. If she had been a strict authority figure (like my grandather was when I temporarily stayed with my grandparents) I would not have been able to talk to her as easily as I had.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Hmm, this is an interesting subject.

Would you say that your own upbringing influences your view here?

I honestly try to stay unbiased as much as I can on issues, and use the information that is relative to the subject. Of course my upbringing subconsciously affects my interpretation of things, though.

I was raised in a single parent family, my mother never really put any boundries and restrictions on me. I did what I liked and really, when I liked too. My mother was more like a freind than a parent.

While I dont nessecerily agree fully with her casual approach to parenting, I liked the fact I could talk to her as a freind. I feel it certainly helped me deal with problems in my life a lot more easily that I could talk to my mother as a freind other than a parent. If she had been a strict authority figure (like my grandather was when I temporarily stayed with my grandparents) I would not have been able to talk to her as easily as I had.

My mother was pretty strict, but my dad is very laid back. My parents divorced when i was around 13 or 14. I chose to stay with my dad, since my mom was the one leaving. She died a year later, so I spent most of my teenage years with my fathers influence. He took a very laid back approach, actually too laid back to be honest. He should've stepped in on certain decisions that I made for my life, as I thought I knew the best for me at the time but in retrospect I regret some of my actions. For instance, I dropped out of school in 11th grade, he should've moved heaven and earth pushing me back in, but he let me do it. I knew he didn't approve of it, but we never really vocalized our feelings to each other either. I think he might've felt that I was still dealing with my mothers death, which was evident from my grades and class levels dropping down from honor roll and advanced classes throughout high school. So perhaps thats why he didn't push it so much, but I wish he would have.

All in all he is still the best I can ask for, and although we are all far from perfect, he did a good parenting job.

I want my children to know they can talk to me about anything, and I'm going to strive to be as open with them as possible, so that they can try to relate to me. But in turn with that, I still will keep them in line with what is acceptable and what isn't, and most importantly, why it isn't. I'm not going to force them to be religious, either. I speak in future tense because my children are all very young right now, so I can just imagine how it'll be when they hit their teen's.

 

[Ohioprof]

What is it with all this mamby pamby without saying its wrong or right stuff? Do parents sit at home and not teach their kids the difference between right and wrong?

If you're not going to cover the morality of it, don't bring it up. Leave it to the parents.

Why should public schools teach your morality over other people's? You want to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else through the state? I think that doing so would be immoral.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yes good parents teach their children that it is wrong to hate people just because they are different.

That is what I teach my daughter.

 

[Ohioprof]

I honestly try to stay unbiased as much as I can on issues, and use the information that is relative to the subject. Of course my upbringing subconsciously affects my interpretation of things, though.


My mother was pretty strict, but my dad is very laid back. My parents divorced when i was around 13 or 14. I chose to stay with my dad, since my mom was the one leaving. She died a year later, so I spent most of my teenage years with my fathers influence. He took a very laid back approach, actually too laid back to be honest. He should've stepped in on certain decisions that I made for my life, as I thought I knew the best for me at the time but in retrospect I regret some of my actions. For instance, I dropped out of school in 11th grade, he should've moved heaven and earth pushing me back in, but he let me do it. I knew he didn't approve of it, but we never really vocalized our feelings to each other either. I think he might've felt that I was still dealing with my mothers death, which was evident from my grades and class levels dropping down from honor roll and advanced classes throughout high school. So perhaps thats why he didn't push it so much, but I wish he would have.

All in all he is still the best I can ask for, and although we are all far from perfect, he did a good parenting job.

I want my children to know they can talk to me about anything, and I'm going to strive to be as open with them as possible, so that they can try to relate to me. But in turn with that, I still will keep them in line with what is acceptable and what isn't, and most importantly, why it isn't. I'm not going to force them to be religious, either. I speak in future tense because my children are all very young right now, so I can just imagine how it'll be when they hit their teen's.

My father taught me to think for myself, to be kind and generous with everyone, to be honest, to reject discrimination and prejudice, and to read and learn.

My father would have turned 87 today, had he lived this long. He died this past May. I miss him so.

 

[MrPirate]

There you go with that bearing false witness against good parents.

Why would good and moral parents teach their children that bigotry is morally acceptable?

Good moral parents will teach their kids that God identifies homosexual and heterosexual fornication as sin, and that those different people who CHOOSE to fornicate are committing sin.

Why would good and moral parents lie about something like that?

And if that's your idea of hate, then hate it be.

No it’s a universally accepted notion of hate

 

[MrPirate]

sign me up for the terrible parents' club then, I guess. I did notice that Zaac also mentioned heterosexual fornications as well.

You teach your children that hating people because they are different is morally acceptable? That it prejudice because of religion and skin color is A-OKAY?

 

[lmnop9876]

You teach your children that hating people because they are different is morally acceptable? That it prejudice because of religion and skin color is A-OKAY?

I fail to see how interpreting the Bible as teaching that same-sex sexual relationships are sinful is now regarded as hate. I do not promote hate of or discrimination against any homosexual person. I believe that homosexual people should have all the same human and civil rights as a heterosexual person has, including the right to life, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality, and all the same civil privileges as any heterosexual person has, including the right to vote, marry someone of the opposite gender, the right to protest, freedom of association, and freedom to participate in government. comparisons to racial discrimination of the kind experienced by my mother, grandmother, and all of their relatives since white invasion of Australia, are completely invalid. when you can name one homosexual person who was (officially and legally) refused the right to vote on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to drink alcohol on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to protest or associate on the basis of sexuality, when one such instance can be produced of official and legal sexuality-based discrimination, i will agree with comparisons to racial discrimination.

if anything, I see homosexuality as a gift from God, not something to hate people on the basis of.

 

[Ohioprof]

I fail to see how interpreting the Bible as teaching that same-sex sexual relationships are sinful is now regarded as hate. I do not promote hate of or discrimination against any homosexual person. I believe that homosexual people should have all the same human and civil rights as a heterosexual person has, including the right to life, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality, and all the same civil privileges as any heterosexual person has, including the right to vote, marry someone of the opposite gender, the right to protest, freedom of association, and freedom to participate in government. comparisons to racial discrimination of the kind experienced by my mother, grandmother, and all of their relatives since white invasion of Australia, are completely invalid. when you can name one homosexual person who was (officially and legally) refused the right to vote on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to drink alcohol on the basis of sexuality, one homosexual person who was refused the right to protest or associate on the basis of sexuality, when one such instance can be produced of official and legal sexuality-based discrimination, i will agree with comparisons to racial discrimination.

if anything, I see homosexuality as a gift from God, not something to hate people on the basis of.

Gay people were regularly refused the right to associate on the basis of "homosexuality." The police used to raid gay bars all the time and arrest the people inside. That's what led to the Stonewall Rebellion.

Gay people used to be arrested simply for associating. Gay people also used to be arrested for having intimate relations in their own homes. Ask Michael Bowers of Georgia about this, or Mr. Lawrence who lives in Texas. Both men were arrested for having sex with their partner in their own home, and both men challenged the arrest in court and took their cases all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

[lmnop9876]

Gay people were regularly refused the right to associate on the basis of "homosexuality." The police used to raid gay bars all the time and arrest the people inside. That's what led to the Stonewall Rebellion.

Gay people used to be arrested simply for associating. Gay people also used to be arrested for having intimate relations in their own homes. Ask Michael Bowers of Georgia about this, or Mr. Lawrence who lives in Texas. Both men were arrested for having sex with their partner in their own home, and both men challenged the arrest in court and took their cases all the way to the Supreme Court.

see my reply in the other thread

 

[Ohioprof]

see my reply in the other thread

Yeah, we seem to be discussing the same subjects in two different threads. This is an interesting discussion.

 

[Zaac]

I personally believe that children should decide for themselves what their moral beliefs are as they grow up. As a hopeful future parent I would obviously warn my children of the risks of certain things (such a unprotected sex, alchohol/drug abuse etc) but in the end their morality would be decided by what they do in life. I dont believe in forced control and discipline of children to the point they are scared to talk to their parents about issues of morality.

UnBiblical. God places the responsibility of raising kids in his way on the shoulders of the parents.

Morality hinders upon what God says and our obedience/disobedience to what he says.

 

[Zaac]

Why should public schools teach your morality over other people's?

Why should they teach immorality?

You want to impose your moral beliefs on everyone else through the state? I think that doing so would be immoral.

And some of yall want the immorality of the ways f homosexuals and transexuals taught in schools.

 

[Zaac]

Why would good and moral parents teach their children that bigotry is morally acceptable?

Good moral parents will teach their kids what God's Word says and that they are to align themselves with HIM.
And HIS WORD identifies these homosexual acts as sin. And if you believe that makes parents bigots to teach their kids this, oh well.

Why would good and moral parents lie about something like that?

They've got God's WOrd to back it up. What do you have?

No it’s a universally accepted notion of hate

On last check me and my millions of God's Word affirming Brothers and Sisters and Christ were part of the universe.

 

[Ohioprof]

UnBiblical. God places the responsibility of raising kids in his way on the shoulders of the parents.

Morality hinders upon what God says and our obedience/disobedience to what he says.

So if you have a question, you just open your Bible like the baseball rule book and find your answer. And there it is.....the Bible tells you what to think, so you don't have to think for yourself.

Are you a parent? It's not an easy job, my friend, and no rule book can tell us how to do it.

 

[Zaac]

So if you have a question, you just open your Bible like the baseball rule book and find your answer. And there it is.....the Bible tells you what to think, so you don't have to think for yourself.

The Bible says 5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight Proverbs 3:5-6

If you are a Christian leaning on His infinite knowledge and understanding rather than your own, YEP, take it to Him and His Word.

Are you a parent? It's not an easy job, my friend, and no rule book can tell us how to do it

God was FATHER before you were a mother.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why should they teach immorality?



And some of yall want the immorality of the ways f homosexuals and transexuals taught in schools.

It's not immoral to teach respect for other people.

 

[Ohioprof]

The Bible says 5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight Proverbs 3:5-6

If you are a Christian leaning on His infinite knowledge and understanding rather than your own, YEP, take it to Him and His Word.

But to do so requires faith that you have not exhibited. It's that same lack of faith that causes you to reject parts of His Word as true.

So with that said along with your other unBiblical unitarian beliefs, YOU are not expected to go to God's Word for the answer to anything as you don't trust it all as truth.



God was FATHER before you were a mother.

Are YOU a father? That is the question I asked you. You are not God, and you don't speak for God.

 

[Brieuse]

Why should they teach immorality?



And some of yall want the immorality of the ways f homosexuals and transexuals taught in schools.

what's wrong with that?

 

[Brieuse]

Good moral parents will teach their kids what God's Word says and that they are to align themselves with HIM.
And HIS WORD identifies these homosexual acts as sin. And if you believe that makes parents bigots to teach their kids this, oh well.



They've got God's WOrd to back it up. What do you have?




On last check me and my millions of God's Word affirming Brothers and Sisters and Christ were part of the universe.

God's Word says speaks nothing against homosexuals.